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Re:Untold History of AI: Algorithmic Bias Was Born in the 1980s by taneq on Monday November 15, 2021 @06:19AM (#29226132)
In (2) the term 'immoral' is doing wizardly levels of work.

These days in the context of 'social bias' the word 'bias' seems to mean 'difference between what happens and what I think is fair'.

Re:Untold History of AI: Algorithmic Bias Was Born in the 1980s by mjburgess on Monday November 15, 2021 @07:24AM (#29226533)
Yes, deliberately so. Whether an action is prejudicial is not a statistical question, but an ethical one. The temperature of frozen water is likewise, not a statistical question, but a scientific one. Both questions "require a theory".

Statistics itself is essentially pre/post-theoretical analysis -- theory has to be added to statistics.

My use of "immoral" here is to sign-post that something is missing: an ethical theory.

I have seen esteemed people try to reduce (2) to (1) -- you may as well do so with scientific questions, ie., eliminate all of chemistry in favour of just "how often ice melts at a given temperature". We know, of course, that we do not even have data for the whole range of actually knowable states of water -- because we have theories which describe them. (And without theory, we'd not even know what data to have collected.)

Likewise, ethics is not a matter of outcomes being different whenever they are different. Ethics, like science, is a discrete constraint on theory-building -- not on data analysis.

Re:Untold History of AI: Algorithmic Bias Was Born in the 1980s by taneq on Monday November 15, 2021 @10:04AM (#29228217)
> Whether an action is prejudicial is not a statistical question, but an ethical one.

I think this is kind of what we're talking about, though, isn't it? Does "prejudicial" mean "having preconceptions about a person based on a few observed characteristics"? Or does it mean "assuming things I think are unfair about a person"?

> My use of "immoral" here is to sign-post that something is missing: an ethical theory.

If that was the intent then it worked for me.