No, I'm comparing it with Plano and surrounding areas, which is larger than Portland. There are aspects of SF I like, I've been. The problem is the housing costs. It's just much cheaper to live in the DFW area. And not only is it cheaper, you can buy a new home that's much larger compared to what one could buy in Portland or SF. Even in Seattle, the houses here are very old, small, and expensive. Some people like that style of home, it's just not me. What I do like about Portland, SF, and Seattle is the geek culture.