If Software Is Eating The World, Why Don't Coders Get Any Respect?

Re:If Software Is Eating The World, Why Don't Coders Get Any... by TeMPOraL on Wednesday August 24, 2011 @07:42AM (#2920314)

> If you are a doctor, or a lawyer, or a freakin' sales guy, people will listen to your stories, at least for a while. On the other hand, if you are a programmer and even start to talk about what you do for a living, people's eyes will glaze in boredom instantly.

What saddens me is that it happens inside the industry too. Too many times I have seen and talked to programmers who seem to consider themselves 'glorified janitors'. If you mention anything science/tech/IT-related outside of 09:00-17:00 period, you'll get shunned for being a geek. I say, WTF? I respect people who came to programming 'for the money' rather than because of being interested, however I consider disrespectfully discarding science/tech/IT stories while being too happy to discuss tourism, sports and cooking as a sign of mental limitation and general lack of respect to other people.

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Re:If Software Is Eating The World, Why Don't Coders Get Any... by olliesaunders on Wednesday August 24, 2011 @02:45PM (#2922010)

Genuinely curious:

“I respect people who came to programming 'for the money' rather than because of being interested”

Why?

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Re:If Software Is Eating The World, Why Don't Coders Get Any... by TeMPOraL on Wednesday August 24, 2011 @03:35PM (#2922194)

Until last year I was a programmer of pure heart, that would despise perspective of working 09:00-17:00 as a programmer, and then go home and 'have a life'. Programming for me was, and still is, a creative art and a tool to solve problems worth solving. However, since then I started working and actually earning money for my expenses, instead of relying on parents, and this pretty much shifted my perspective. You need to take money from somewhere if you want to eat (and support people both above and below you on the family tree). Also, it's really hard to find a job that would be perfectly aligned with your dreams/goals - that actually hurted the most. I understand now that people have different priorities, and life is not so simple, and people tend not to have everything 'figured out'.

While I still strive to find a way to give value to human society to the best of my abilities, and don't want to end in a corporate 0900-1700 job and make money for the sake of making money, I understand and respect people who chose differently. I believe, that there are other interesting things I might learn from them. However, I expect the same respect from them, that I give to them. Otherwise, we have nothing to talk about.

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Re:If Software Is Eating The World, Why Don't Coders Get Any... by olliesaunders on Friday August 26, 2011 @09:24AM (#2928377)

Sorry I only just got round to reading your reply. What you say is interesting and all but hazy. What is your actual reason for respecting them other than the fact that you acknowledge there might be reasons for their decision? To my mind that doesn’t warrant respect, but the suspension of judgement until you have more information.

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Re:If Software Is Eating The World, Why Don't Coders Get Any... by TeMPOraL on Friday August 26, 2011 @03:05PM (#2929564)

Respect to a human being in general? I try to give it by default, unless someone works really hard to loose it.

Maybe you're right about that, phrasing it as 'suspension of judgement' is more accurate. I used to treat 'programming just for money' as disrespectful; now I assign to it the default value of respect I assign to everything else that I don't give special considerations.

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