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Re:Work begins on architects’ cracked Denver residential tower by trgn on Thursday November 11, 2021 @01:33PM (#29191294)
This kind of architecture is absolutely cringe-y. The architects basically out themselves as detached sociopaths, and the patrons out themselves as gullible idiots.

A building like this is a shtick. "Cool" for about 5 minutes. It will not age gracefully. The people behind this project confuse architecture with sculpture.

Re:Work begins on architects’ cracked Denver residential tower by f00zz on Thursday November 11, 2021 @02:59PM (#29192416)
Nah, personally I think MahaNakhon in Bangkok looks pretty cool.
Re:Work begins on architects’ cracked Denver residential tower by trgn on Thursday November 11, 2021 @04:01PM (#29193125)
That's exactly my point. Buildings should not look "cool", they should look timeless. A good building needs to last centuries. What looks cool now, will look stupid 5 years from now. It's fine if a building looks off its time, it's not fine if a building looks like a joke.

When the only assessment we can make about a creative work, e.g. a building (but fine arts just as well), is that it looks "cool", or "interesting", or "contemporary", or "futuristic", what that really means is that we are hesitant to say it looks "beautiful", "attractive", "timeless". Strong assessments like the latter are axiomatic and require a confidence in your aesthetic sensibilities. That these sensibilities are globally shared, that you are empathetic enough to step outside of your own head and look at it as an older person, as a child, as somebody who won't be born until a century from now.

Modern spectacle architecture (like that Bangkok tower) today does not inspire that confidence. It defies being called beautiful, because innately we experience it as not that. It might look "cool", or futuristic, but that's about it. A building like that is infantile branding, it looks like a tetris-game because the kind of people who design and finance this are childish, confusing technological prowess with worth and beauty.

Re:Work begins on architects’ cracked Denver residential tower by jdmichal on Thursday November 11, 2021 @05:42PM (#29194204)
Once upon a time, even having a skyscraper at was "cool" and stood out. Now I'm sure you laud those early buildings as "timeless".

Once upon a time, that all-glass skyscraper was "cool" and stood out, even among the other skyscrapers. Now, we don't blink twice at such towers being stood up.

My point being that architecture as a field and as an art form both progress forward in society. Right now buildings like the MahaNakhon stand out. In the future, they may just be the first instances of the next "timeless" trend.

Also, there's plenty of beauty to find in the MahaNakhon, especially at night... And I'll talk for myself in saying that I find beauty in the execution of technological prowess. The same way I see beauty in well-laid masonry or tile design. They're just using different material.

Re:Work begins on architects’ cracked Denver residential tower by kansface on Thursday November 11, 2021 @11:13PM (#29196244)
Why can’t we make some timeless and some cool buildings, and some austere, and some playful, etc?
Re:Work begins on architects’ cracked Denver residential tower by GoToRO on Thursday November 11, 2021 @05:15PM (#29193927)
yes. All "modern" buildings have this "look at me!" design, but they are crap for residents.
Re:Work begins on architects’ cracked Denver residential tower by colordrops on Thursday November 11, 2021 @01:36PM (#29191327)
I'm curious, what are examples of architecture you admire?
Re:Work begins on architects’ cracked Denver residential tower by trgn on Thursday November 11, 2021 @02:47PM (#29192261)
Architecture which does not fetishize the engineering aesthetic, which is mindful of its impact on the public realm, and which does not consider the building-proper as an artistic expression in and of itself.

Basically, anything before modernism, before WW1 is generally good. Or really, anything before cars. The rise of car culture and the decline of architecture are directly correlated.

I personally had a hard time articulating why I found contemporary architecture so revolting, it was just a feeling. Then I found videos by Leon Krier (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFiYL8AvvnY), or Nathan Lewis's blog series on the topic (https://newworldeconomics.com/category/traditional-city-post...), and everything suddenly just clicked.

Re:Work begins on architects’ cracked Denver residential tower by nitrogen on Thursday November 11, 2021 @03:01PM (#29192436)
Wow, everything you list as bad is everything I consider good. Nothing is worse for a neighborhood than the tyranny of ordinances requiring homogenized, historic designs.

It's a good thing there's more than one building in the world. Everyone should be able to live, work, and design spaces they like, within the local scale (so no 80 floor highrises next to houses if they don't want it, but props to the houses if they do want the highrise). That means you might end up with a glass box next to a pre-WW1 stone box. That's a good thing -- there's no reason a long-passed generation should have the final say in architecture at the expense of the present.

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Re:Work begins on architects’ cracked Denver residential tower by WJW on Thursday November 11, 2021 @04:34PM (#29193486)
Plenty of trees grow on the north side of hills though. Not every tree needs full sunlight.