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Re:Richard “Lowtax” Kyanka, creator of Somethingawful, has died by Jensson on Thursday November 11, 2021 @06:34AM (#29186865)
> Doesn't quite have the same vibe, does it?

It does. There are also a lot of jokes about burning babies etc. Just because you don't understand that sort of humour doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

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Re:Richard “Lowtax” Kyanka, creator of Somethingawful, has died by sillysaurusx on Thursday November 11, 2021 @02:13PM (#29191857)
> Try spinning a joke about burning Jewish babies as innocent form of humor that society doesn't look down on. I'll wait.

How do you stop a million Jewish babies from bleeding to death? Holocauterization.

(It's really hard to think of a joke about burning Jewish babies. This one took about 30 minutes, and it isn't even baby-specific.)

As a half-Jew, this seems like innocent wordplay. But if it's problematic or harmful, I'd like to understand why.

Re:Richard “Lowtax” Kyanka, creator of Somethingawful, has died by romwell on Thursday November 11, 2021 @04:14PM (#29193256)
> But if it's problematic or harmful, I'd like to understand why.

TL;DR: this article goes into detail:

https://theconversation.com/psychology-behind-the-unfunny-co...

Below, I'll explain using this particular joke. --------

Context is key here: are you laughing about our world being so so fucked up that the million deaths actually happened (the good), about it being funny that a million Jewish kids actually perished (the bad), or are just shoehorning a taboo topic/horrific event into a pun for pure shock value (the ugly)?

- The good is gallows humor, which is what someone would perceive once you identify as having Jewish heritage. It's making laughter out of tears, and it's an old, and good tradition. This particular joke would be a big stretch, but can be pulled off.

- The bad is Neo-Nazi land. The goal is to not make people laugh, but to trivialize mass murder. Jews were dehumanized, described as vermin that needs to ne exterminated prior to Holocaust — and it has heen an effective strategy to normalize the genocide. You can see the same kind of "jokes" used to send a message about South American refugees today. This is

- The ugly is juvenile idiocy of a child who just learned a bad word, and enjoys the shock it causes. The harm on such ugly jokes is that after evey edgelord makes them a million times, not only is the shock value completely gone, but people get used for the Holocaust being that-thing-people-joke-about-that-Jews-whine-about, without ever trying to understand it. They've seen it enough times that familiarity starts to feel like understanding ("I did Nazi that one coming! That's gonna holo-cost you!”). That's the loss, for the sake of a rather stupid gain.

Depending on what context you make the joke in, it can be either.

Perhaps it wouldn't be wise to tell it to someone crying at a Holocaust memorial mourning the loss of their family.

But at a Chabad dinner, when the topic of conversation is how Jews have always used humor to get through the difficult times — not the worst way to make yourself a schlimazel :)

[1] https://theconversation.com/psychology-behind-the-unfunny-co...

Re:Richard “Lowtax” Kyanka, creator of Somethingawful, has died by Analogbullfrog on Thursday November 11, 2021 @10:52AM (#29189271)
Thank you for your responses. As a woman who grew up on the Internet (and is on the spectrum) I really appreciate you articulating the problems with jokes like that, because having argued with people online, I've learned that my reasoning was never well-constructed and convincing enough to change minds, and the often (usual?) aggressive backlash would just add to the growing pile of uneasiness. One learns it is safer to stay quiet.