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Re:We saved millions in SSD costs by upgrading our filesystem by PragmaticPulp on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @04:15PM (#29167596)
> In my experience, doing things in the cloud is about as expensive per 12-18 months as buying the hardware up front is.

The fallacy is comparing hardware costs to services cost. The hardware is the cheap part.

When you run your own system, you have to develop the entire system up front and maintain it on the backend. The hardware is cheap by comparison to the salaries and development costs you pay.

> $2 million should get you a team of 10 sysadmins and devops engineers.

Probably double that once you add in fully-loaded costs as well as the compensation for ~2 managers to manage them.

Re:We saved millions in SSD costs by upgrading our filesystem by aflag on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @04:36PM (#29167817)
I think he compared hardware + team salary vs aws. After a certain size that starts tipping over to the side of having things on prem. Running things on prem is nothing scary. You just need people with the skill set needed to do it. But when you’re spending millions in infrastructure, that’s hardly a problem.
Re:We saved millions in SSD costs by upgrading our filesystem by starfallg on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @04:52PM (#29168010)
>When you run your own system, you have to develop the entire system up front and maintain it on the backend. The hardware is cheap by comparison to the salaries and development costs you pay

The development costs are OTC that are amortised during the life of the solution. Whereas in xAAS, they are MRC. The longer your tech refresh cycle, the cheaper it is. It's inherent to the pricing model.

Also when you get down to the cruz if it, these solutions (like openstack or vSphere), are software platform that provides similar features. There's not much development costs, it's just software licensing and PS.

In terms of operations, it's not like you can get rid of sysadmins, they just morphed into DevOps.

>Probably double that once you add in fully-loaded costs as well as the compensation for ~2 managers to manage them.

You might as well add all sorts of additional costs such as egress charges on exit and cloud consultancy.

Re:We saved millions in SSD costs by upgrading our filesystem by manquer on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @05:38PM (#29168491)
There are plenty of financing options( with pretty competitive interests) that will help you amortize your upfront costs over project lifetime if your credit is good ( at this kind range any startup gets access to this fairly easily), So both options can be monthly recurring if need be.
Re:We saved millions in SSD costs by upgrading our filesystem by starfallg on Wednesday November 10, 2021 @03:42AM (#29172469)
Yeah, but the financing options usually have a fixed period, unless you go with hardware subscription. Costs are hence capped.
Re:We saved millions in SSD costs by upgrading our filesystem by mbreese on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @04:43PM (#29167890)
But if you’re paying X in OpEx to AWS, at some point Y in CapEx (hardware) and Z for OpEx (your people) becomes more compelling. What I believe the comment above is arguing is that if you are saving millions for 20% savings on SSD costs, X >> Y + Z.

Yes, you have to manage the hardware, and Y doesn’t automatically go to zero for year two, but the convenience of the cloud isn’t always cost effective. Don’t get caught up with the details. The 2 million figure doesn’t matter as much. It’s finding that inflection point and making the better business decision.