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Re:The benefits of staying off social media by rhino369 on Monday November 08, 2021 @12:00PM (#29151349)
Reddit has a culture that normalizes the symptoms of social anxiety. They call it introversion, but the way its described is 100% social anxiety.

I am sympathetic, I have it too. Hell, ever male in my dad's family line seems to have it.

But its a problem that needs to be treated and not a character trait that needs to be respected. The WORST thing you can do for social anxiety (or any anxiety) is to avoid trigger it. You'll become a depressed shut in.

Re:The benefits of staying off social media by GDC7 on Monday November 08, 2021 @01:05PM (#29152179)
> The WORST thing you can do for social anxiety (or any anxiety) is to avoid trigger it

No point triggering for the sake of it.

You need to bring the socially anxious person in a very easy enviornment.

A scenario in which they can easily "win" the social setting.

Like a pre-season friendly game against a minor league team. You put 30 runs on them, and of course you'll start the season full of swagger.

It's called the "winner effect"

Social anxiety is essentially triggered by not being in control of social outcomes.

Repeated winning outcomes do lower the need to be in control and thus should reduce anxiety

Re:The benefits of staying off social media by Domenic_S on Monday November 08, 2021 @02:26PM (#29153138)
> No point triggering for the sake of it.

Actually there is, if it's contextualized correctly. It's called Exposure Therapy [0] and it's scientifically proven to help phobias/anxiety/fears. Avoiding the anxiety-provoking situations makes things worse.

[0] https://www.apa.org/ptsd-guideline/patients-and-families/exp...

Re:The benefits of staying off social media by GDC7 on Monday November 08, 2021 @02:46PM (#29153380)
I don't think people would ever become accustomed to being losers.

It might work for fear of flying or heights

But being in a social setting and trying to penetrate into the "in crowd" and being rejected would only make things worse.

You need a controlled environment to exogenously make the socially anxious person "in" so that they then have enough momentum and confidence to go out in the real world and go through an X amount of rejections on their way to thier first real win.

If they lose confidence before achieving a real win because the X amount of rejections is too high , then you gotta go back to the controlled environment.

It's basically like baseball with Major and Minor leagues.

Minor league aces are way more confident than sluggish Major league players.

Re:The benefits of staying off social media by Domenic_S on Monday November 08, 2021 @03:01PM (#29153526)
why are you equating social anxiety with being a loser?
Re:The benefits of staying off social media by GDC7 on Monday November 08, 2021 @03:16PM (#29153704)
Social anxiety spurs from not being popular or commanding a presence in a room, not being in the "in" crowd.

In short it spurs from not being a winner.

The socially anxious person maybe knows at the intellectual level that social wins can be achieved by working the numbers game, but they are too apathetic or nihlistic or scared that their first attempt is going to be a loss which will further depress them.

When you immerse the socially anxious person in a controlled environment you make sure that his first attempt is a Win, and the second and the third and the fourth etc.

And you make them win enough times that they maybe venture into hubris, so that they have a full tank to go into the real world and face the natural X amount of rejections and losses which comes before a win.

Re:The benefits of staying off social media by tayo42 on Monday November 08, 2021 @04:42PM (#29154645)
I don't get what a social win/loss is?
Re:The benefits of staying off social media by GDC7 on Monday November 08, 2021 @06:16PM (#29155594)
Again success, dominating the room, being at the center of the attention at parties, people being receptive when you go talk to them, after the aforementioned positive reception also showing openess for a second encounter.
Re:The benefits of staying off social media by raxxorrax on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @07:43AM (#29160963)
But when you get caught in curating the environment that leads to a "win", it would probably hit strongly the other way.

I disagree about the win/loss theory in general though. I think it is really a dissonance about what people expect and value in in or out groups.

Someone afraid to speak up in certain groups might be quite outgoing in another. So there isn't really an absolute level of success. There are also very successful people that are anxious. Expectations towards yourself play a large role though.

Re:The benefits of staying off social media by GDC7 on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @11:08AM (#29163579)
> But when you get caught in curating the environment that leads to a "win", it would probably hit strongly the other way.

Everybody curates their environment, people just do so unconsciously and without realizing it. An American movie star might dominate the room in Los Angeles...but they'd find a hard time even speaking to people in Iran, and if they are recognized people would be hostile towards them.

Re:The benefits of staying off social media by watwut on Monday November 08, 2021 @03:03PM (#29153547)
Exposure therapy is not the same as randomly triggering the person. It is not going into situations where you will fail either. It is quite deliberate process where you expose person to dose the the person can handle with some difficulty and then you give them break to recover.
Re:The benefits of staying off social media by Domenic_S on Monday November 08, 2021 @03:16PM (#29153698)
There are many strategies and pacing that exposure therapy can take (the link I provided has several examples); the slow, deliberate process you describe is one of them, as is what's being described upthread.
Re:The benefits of staying off social media by watwut on Monday November 08, 2021 @03:42PM (#29153954)
If you don't do it deliberately, it is not therapy tho.

And there is effect of becoming oversensitive when encountering strong stressor randomly and often. I stead of getting less sensitive people can start reacting more aggressively at smaller threat.

Re:The benefits of staying off social media by Domenic_S on Monday November 08, 2021 @06:16PM (#29155596)
Saying to yourself, "I will respond with 1 line of dialog to the next person who hits me up" is deliberate, although the event itself will come randomly.

Your train of thought here reflects classic avoidant behavior -- it's not therapeutic unless I'm in control of all the variables. Certainly you're correct depending on the type of fear being extinguished -- dropping buckets of spiders randomly on someone afraid of spiders isn't likely to help things at all, nor is dropping someone with GAD in the middle of a crowded concert -- but for the particular phobia (social anxiety) and exposure (small talk with strangers in public) we're talking about in this thread, it's definitely the low-stakes kind of exposure exposure therapy aims to provide.

Re:The benefits of staying off social media by raxxorrax on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @07:37AM (#29160900)
Being introverted isn't the same as social anxiety. I do agree that it seems that way on parts of reddit though (there are also completely socially oblivious people that perhaps are even unable to suffer social anxiety).

That people suffer from it is no wonder when you go from one purity spiral to the next one but that is certainly something large social media companies reproduce at least involuntarily.

Re:The benefits of staying off social media by dbtc on Monday November 08, 2021 @12:34PM (#29151778)
I think /r/jung does a better job with this.