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Re:The Melancholy of Subculture Society (2019) by wolverine876 on Monday November 08, 2021 @03:03AM (#29147010)
> Secondly, nationalism does not have a horrible track record. America was incredibly prosperous in the "big government" era of the mid 20th century.

That is conflating two clearly different definitions of nationalism.

The nationalism I'm talking about led to WWI, WWII, Bosnia, Rwanda, etc. It has nothing to do with what you are describing:

I've never heard an active government in economic affairs, such as the US in the mid-20th century, called 'nationalism'. Whatever you call it, it's a completely different thing, as other US policies were the opposite, purposely worked against, the actual nationalism that destroyed (and destroys) so many.

Re:The Melancholy of Subculture Society (2019) by jollybean on Monday November 08, 2021 @03:48PM (#29154045)
Nationalism was a secondary factor in WW1 (the elites failed in their alliances, and later used Nationalism as a recruiting tool, but it was not a driver), and was not related to Bosnia and Rwanda which were ethnic wars.

I think you have a misunderstanding of what the term 'Nationalism' means.

Re:The Melancholy of Subculture Society (2019) by hoseja on Monday November 08, 2021 @06:38AM (#29148297)
WWI was caused by the anglos exploiting their colonial holdings so effectively they were existentially threatening the Germans. Etc.
Re:The Melancholy of Subculture Society (2019) by wolverine876 on Monday November 08, 2021 @02:24PM (#29153118)
We can write anything on the Internet. Perhaps you could provide some basis?

For other people reading this, that's such a fringe statement that I've never heard it before. To me, it looks like standard victimhood rhetoric.

Re:The Melancholy of Subculture Society (2019) by jollybean on Monday November 08, 2021 @03:49PM (#29154061)
So Germany invading France because 'fear of the UK' is the fault of the UK?

Please. It was a powder Keg, and notably, Germany 'started it'.

Re:The Melancholy of Subculture Society (2019) by pphysch on Monday November 08, 2021 @10:13AM (#29150070)
USA already had its genocidal expansionist moment as a nation before the great World Wars. An entire continent ethnically cleansed and replaced with Anglo settlers. Of course, there was no one to hold it accountable as with the Germans and Japanese. This greatly inspired 20th century fascist thinkers around the world, including Adolf Hitler.

Lebensraum, spazio vitale, manifest destiny.

Even ignoring that, if "nationalism" does not include the massive public projects and social cohesion of 1930s-50s USA, then frankly you have a bizarre definition of nationalism.

Re:The Melancholy of Subculture Society (2019) by wolverine876 on Monday November 08, 2021 @02:27PM (#29153153)
More outrageous, aggressive claims, that somehow it's up to me to address. It's up to you to establish them; otherwise, it's just some words.
Re:The Melancholy of Subculture Society (2019) by pphysch on Monday November 08, 2021 @11:22PM (#29157709)
It is a basic fact that the virtual entirety of North America was ethnically-cleansed and settled by Europeans in the last 500 years.
Re:The Melancholy of Subculture Society (2019) by wolverine876 on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @07:41PM (#29169620)
If you say it's a 'basic fact', who can disagree?
Re:The Melancholy of Subculture Society (2019) by pphysch on Tuesday November 09, 2021 @10:20PM (#29170685)
That is indeed how facts work.