Decline in effectiveness of all three US Covid-19 vaccines over time

Re:Decline in effectiveness of all three US Covid-19 vaccine... by roenxi on Sunday November 07, 2021 @06:12AM (#29138366)

Well, they're both impositions on freedom. But semi-forced medical procedures imposed in an emergency and likely driven by special interests are genuinely concerning. Organising protests over seat-belts - while logically defensible - just makes people look stupid.

So in principle, you shouldn't be fined for either. But the vaccine mandates are a hill worth fighting over.

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Re:Decline in effectiveness of all three US Covid-19 vaccine... by noduerme on Sunday November 07, 2021 @06:31AM (#29138510)

But unlike seat belt laws, it's not forced. And unlike seat belt laws, it should be, because it affects the health of other people.

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Re:Decline in effectiveness of all three US Covid-19 vaccine... by roenxi on Sunday November 07, 2021 @06:36AM (#29138558)

Seatbelt laws shouldn't be forced either. But nobody is going to fight seriously over that because it is inconsequential and non-invasive.

They are not a justification for mandatory vaccination, in an emergency, with what is turning out to be an unknown risk and efficacy profile.

> But unlike seat belt laws, it's not forced.

Good. Keep it that way. But speaking from Australia, the truth of that statement is very context-specific. The government will presumably fine me if I attempt to go for a pub lunch without my smartphone, because then there isn't a way to prove to them that I have been vaccinated. This is a bad, indeed a concerning, thing.

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Re:Decline in effectiveness of all three US Covid-19 vaccine... by overhero on Sunday November 07, 2021 @06:35AM (#29138550)

right, that's my point!

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Re:Decline in effectiveness of all three US Covid-19 vaccine... by glogla on Sunday November 07, 2021 @09:39AM (#29139756)

> But semi-forced medical procedures imposed in an emergency and likely driven by special interests are genuinely concerning. Organising protests over seat-belts - while logically defensible - just makes people look stupid.

I'd say both makes people just look stupid, especially when using phrases like "driven by special interests".

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Re:Decline in effectiveness of all three US Covid-19 vaccine... by roenxi on Sunday November 07, 2021 @04:52PM (#29143840)

Yep. And one of them is a cause which is worth looking a little stupid for while standing up for freedom, because it is an issue where it is more important to be right than to look like part of the crowd. The other one isn't - being seatbelts.

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Re:Decline in effectiveness of all three US Covid-19 vaccine... by overhero on Sunday November 07, 2021 @06:27AM (#29138480)

I argue that the fight needs to start with the most unjustified measures. seat-belts, helmets etc.

As long as you have those in place it's only consequential that more protective measures are in place as well - i.e ones that actually do have an protective impact on society

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Re:Decline in effectiveness of all three US Covid-19 vaccine... by roenxi on Sunday November 07, 2021 @06:31AM (#29138508)

If your plan is to start with the least consequential issues, you should reconsider the plan. Start with the important stuff, work down to the nice-to-haves. Nobody gets everything that they want.

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Re:Decline in effectiveness of all three US Covid-19 vaccine... by overhero on Sunday November 07, 2021 @06:37AM (#29138564)

no, it's not about "least consequential" but about "most unjustified". as long as you have even more unjustified measures in place, you will have a hard time fighting the less unjustified

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