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Re:American trains need more than railfan nostalgia by samstave on Saturday November 06, 2021 @12:29PM (#29131585)
Im really surprised that there is no "Train Ferry" -- A train that one drives their car onto and takes the train across country/states and then disembarks with their car...

I used to take the train very often from sacramento to the bay area... It was clean, has wifi, quiet, power, drinks, food...

It was a great commute - but the prices are still too high...

Re:American trains need more than railfan nostalgia by TulliusCicero on Saturday November 06, 2021 @12:42PM (#29131687)
The amount of storage space you'd need for each car would likely make this too expensive for all but a handful of people.
Re:American trains need more than railfan nostalgia by R0b0t1 on Saturday November 06, 2021 @02:31PM (#29132631)
No, this exists between DC and Orlando on Amtrack. I considered contacting Amtrack to charter a car train to my location to another. They'll probably do it for enough money and it's not that much money.

What you need to know to argue is, say, they're not losing all of the berths on a vehicle transport car if you want to move one car. They're having you pay the upkeep for that one trip which is not the same as the fully loaded vehicle car.

Re:American trains need more than railfan nostalgia by tomc1985 on Saturday November 06, 2021 @03:45PM (#29133233)
They do it with the Eurotunnel, though I can't remember if I saw anything but trucks and busses on it
Re:American trains need more than railfan nostalgia by ErikCorry on Saturday November 06, 2021 @04:58PM (#29133747)
Cars too. These are pretty big trains though, don't fit through normal bridges.

The auto trains that go across Europe are much narrower and take a lot longer to load and unload. They are pretty expensive and only used for very long distances. Most of the time it makes more sense to rent a car at your destination.

Re:American trains need more than railfan nostalgia by sofixa on Sunday November 07, 2021 @09:24AM (#29139650)
> These are pretty big trains though, don't fit through normal bridges

Normal bridgdes where? They fit perfectly fine on the French loading gauge (max train dimensions), but the British one is much smaller on most lines.

Re:American trains need more than railfan nostalgia by c_hackett on Saturday November 06, 2021 @06:22PM (#29134375)
With Eurotunnel Shuttle services you drive on with a road vehicle, remain with the vehicle for the transit and then drive off at the other terminal. Europorte runs freight operations through the tunnel. Finally Eurostar is the pure passenger service running the likes of London to Paris.
Re:American trains need more than railfan nostalgia by aww_dang on Saturday November 06, 2021 @12:31PM (#29131596)
Re:American trains need more than railfan nostalgia by samstave on Saturday November 06, 2021 @12:45PM (#29131714)
Well Hot Damn!... this is definitely on track.

The only problem that I have with Amtrak is their disconnect with modern pricing for value of service.

Case in point being a train ride from say SF to Seattle is WAY more expensive than a flight, many times longer and other than no plane crash risks... what value is it for that price?

I find it akin to the guy on a slow sunday morning drive on an impassable two-lane highway where his old restored 1938 ford only goes 45 mph and the speed limit is 65 and there are mad waitresses trying to make it to clock-in time and the old guy is oblivious to other's need to be to work on time...

(this is a true story based on a close friend of mine who works at the French Laundry and is constantly thwarted by oblivious slow drivers)

Re:American trains need more than railfan nostalgia by aww_dang on Saturday November 06, 2021 @12:54PM (#29131786)
It only makes sense if you value it based on other factors. Some of these items are more valuable to me than the cost. The time factors are difficult depending on your circumstances.

1) No TSA (at least when I last used it)

2) You can show up with a bicycle. They will provide a box and you pack it yourself. Your bicycle will not be molested.

3) You can get a private compartment and drink your own liquor

4) You like trains

Re:American trains need more than railfan nostalgia by macintux on Saturday November 06, 2021 @04:05PM (#29133390)
About 8 years ago I was caught off guard by TSA running a checkpoint at the Amtrak station in Chicago. I don’t know whether that was a common occurrence at the time, and I haven’t ridden in years, but certainly in the moment I was not enthused by the potential encroachment.
Re:American trains need more than railfan nostalgia by jdavis703 on Saturday November 06, 2021 @08:16PM (#29135156)
They deploy VIPR teams to do this. I’ve seen it twice (once as passive screening, the other was active screening) in the last two decades. As a regular transit and Amtrak user, I’d say it’s fairly rare.
Re:American trains need more than railfan nostalgia by macintux on Saturday November 06, 2021 @09:20PM (#29135538)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visible_Intermodal_Prevention_... for anyone else unfamiliar with that acronym.
Re:American trains need more than railfan nostalgia by cheschire on Saturday November 06, 2021 @02:31PM (#29132628)
A buddy of mine recently moved from DC to Florida. He tested the auto-train once, with his family of 7 and a car and the total cost was $1800. After COVID, it now costs double that. Now he just drives the 12 hours using a diesel pickup truck.

So they weren't always so disconnected from modern pricing, but I don't think the effects of COVID have fully played out across all the transportation options yet to know what 2021+ prices should look like.

Re:American trains need more than railfan nostalgia by jdavis703 on Saturday November 06, 2021 @01:23PM (#29132029)
There are two lane rural highways in Napa where the speed limit is 65 MPH? I’m going to need a source for that one.
Re:American trains need more than railfan nostalgia by tomc1985 on Saturday November 06, 2021 @03:48PM (#29133255)
Not Napa but I recall the 101 has some really high speed limits for some of the two-lane sections through Humboldt/Mendocino/Sonoma counties
Re:American trains need more than railfan nostalgia by microtherion on Saturday November 06, 2021 @06:06PM (#29134249)
That exists in Switzerland for a number of tunnels, but passengers stay in their cars, which is presumably not what you had in mind: https://www.bls.ch/en/fahren/unterwegs-mit/autoverlad
Re:American trains need more than railfan nostalgia by c_hackett on Saturday November 06, 2021 @06:14PM (#29134315)
Motorail operated in the UK 1966 to 1995.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorail_(British_Rail)