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Re:Embedded malware in RC (NPM package) by schemescape on Friday November 05, 2021 @03:08PM (#29123520)
Given that these attacks are becoming increasingly common, package registries could at least install each package (prior to publishing) in some isolated container or VM and then run some similar malware detection on the resulting file system.

Honestly, I'm strongly considering moving away from the NPM ecosystem because it's clearly become a target for malware.

Re:Embedded malware in RC (NPM package) by thrashh on Friday November 05, 2021 @03:17PM (#29123620)
But attackers are not dumb. They would circumvent whether loose checks the package manager may have. Just considering your suggestion, the obvious immediate exploit is to not deploy the attack payload right away. Nothing you will think of will evade defeat.
Re:Embedded malware in RC (NPM package) by schemescape on Friday November 05, 2021 @03:21PM (#29123660)
I agree that it is an unending arms race, but if NPM doesn't even plug obvious holes (like running install scripts by default), then they've lost my trust.

Edit: if anyone knows of a way to disable NPM from running install scripts automatically (without having to remember to specify --ignore-scripts on each invocation), while still allowing me to use "npm run" to manually run scripts (e.g. test scripts for my own packages), I'd love to hear about it.

Re:Embedded malware in RC (NPM package) by Ginden on Friday November 05, 2021 @04:09PM (#29124196)
npm ci --ignore-scripts
Re:Embedded malware in RC (NPM package) by schemescape on Friday November 05, 2021 @04:41PM (#29124512)
Ah, sorry, I meant a way to automatically do that (both so I don't have to type as much and so that I can't accidentally forget to add that argument). Edited my comment to reflect this.
Re:Embedded malware in RC (NPM package) by jffry on Friday November 05, 2021 @05:36PM (#29124975)
You can run this

  npm config set ignore-scripts true
which will update ~/.npmrc (you can also create project-specific .npmrc files if you prefer)

You can see how NPM has been configured by running

  npm config list
Re:Embedded malware in RC (NPM package) by schemescape on Friday November 05, 2021 @07:24PM (#29125801)
That breaks “npm run” (violating the second part of my request).
Re:Embedded malware in RC (NPM package) by jffry on Friday November 05, 2021 @07:32PM (#29125852)
The manpage says that directly invoking a script from package.json with `npm run X` aka `npm run-script X` will still work with this preference set to true, but that it will not run pre/post scripts. Perhaps that is good enough for your use-case?

  npm help run-script
  
   [...]
   ignore-scripts
       o Default: false
       o Type: Boolean
       If true, npm does not run scripts specified in package.json files.

       Note  that  commands  explicitly  intended to run a particular script, such as npm
       start, npm stop, npm restart, npm test, and npm run-script will  still  run  their
       intended  script  if  ignore-scripts  is  set,  but  they will not run any pre- or
       post-scripts.
Re:Embedded malware in RC (NPM package) by schemescape on Friday November 05, 2021 @11:54PM (#29127379)
Edit: That doesn't work as described on NPM 6.14.14 (the version I had), but it does work on NPM 8.1.0 (the version I just upgraded to). Thanks!
Re:Embedded malware in RC (NPM package) by jffry on Saturday November 06, 2021 @08:53AM (#29129810)
Ah, looks like it was introduced in v7.0 - https://github.com/npm/rfcs/pull/185
Re:Embedded malware in RC (NPM package) by matheusmoreira on Friday November 05, 2021 @07:10PM (#29125714)
> Nothing you will think of will evade defeat.

Trust. Why is it that random people can submit packages? Make it so they can't. Only trustworthy people should be able to do that. People who care, so that we don't have to. People we can trust. This is how Linux distributions work and you just don't see malware randomly making its way into official repositories.

Re:Embedded malware in RC (NPM package) by nijave on Friday November 05, 2021 @09:34PM (#29126705)
You can DIY. There's also plenty of reputation dependency scanners out there (especially in the corporate world) that will look at license, commit rate, number of committers, release frequency, transitive dependencies, etc and generate "safety" score for you

E.g. "This is maintained by a huge network of contributors who contribute to other huge projects" vs "This is a single developer with a couple commits a year"

Re:Embedded malware in RC (NPM package) by peteatphylum on Friday November 05, 2021 @08:36PM (#29126284)
I wish it worked that way. I just peeked into how python packages in debian-based distros work. They are most frequently PyPI packages with some debian wrapping, so we're back at the same problem.
Re:Embedded malware in RC (NPM package) by matheusmoreira on Friday November 05, 2021 @09:14PM (#29126565)
PyPI allowed me to make an account and just push packages there like it was nothing. Great for me, not so great for users.

These Debian wrappers, however minimal, imply the existence of a maintainer trusted by the Debian community. It's assumed that this maintainer has read the source code and determined it is safe.

Re:Embedded malware in RC (NPM package) by djbusby on Friday November 05, 2021 @11:13PM (#29127180)
Or at least pinned a version that is known good
Re:Embedded malware in RC (NPM package) by yardstick on Friday November 05, 2021 @04:35PM (#29124455)
“Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good”
Re:Embedded malware in RC (NPM package) by nijave on Friday November 05, 2021 @09:31PM (#29126683)
I've seen some talks about implementing this at the programming level but can't remember the specifics. Basically treating dependencies similar to apps on a smartphone where they each run in a namespace or security context and there's control over what data gets passed in and out of the module or package. (In stark contrast to the current model where everything just runs in a global namespace)
Re:Embedded malware in RC (NPM package) by tmpfs on Saturday November 06, 2021 @03:48AM (#29128246)
We are working on this here [1].

Uses the object capability model provided by SES [2].

[1] https://github.com/LavaMoat/LavaMoat [2] https://github.com/endojs/endo

Re:Embedded malware in RC (NPM package) by qPM9l3XJrF on Saturday November 06, 2021 @05:13AM (#29128663)
Why would malware authors target NPM in particular? Maybe they are targeting lots of package registries, and NPM is just more vigilant?