Re:Our self imposed scarcity of nice places
by jseban on Thursday November 04, 2021 @05:58AM
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How can you argue against the reality that it's better to use a car or delivery for 20 kg, than to carry it when walking. And since it's already delivered by a truck, why walk the last bit it's pointless. It's just a middle class virtue signalling
competition oh look who can be the most neo-amish and eschew modern conveniences.
I churn my own butter, because that's better for the environment! Everyone should make their own butter, it only takes 4 hours, that's "nothing" Ban butter factories!
Re:Our self imposed scarcity of nice places
by crooked-v on Thursday November 04, 2021 @06:10AM
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> How can you argue against the reality that it's better to use a car or delivery for 20 kg, than to carry it when walking.
If you're really going to have trouble carrying 20 kg on your back for a couple of city blocks, you can use a folding rolling cart instead to do the same at the same speed and with negligible effort.
> And since it's already delivered by a truck, why walk the last bit it's pointless.
One truck carrying twenty tons of groceries is not the same as one car carrying a few cases of bottled water.
Re:Our self imposed scarcity of nice places
by erik_seaberg on Thursday November 04, 2021 @06:35PM
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Half a bag of concrete? A cart is definitely the way to go. 51 lbs (23 kg) under ideal conditions is where National Institute of Occupational Safety and Health says manual laborers should take precautions against back injuries. Being able to deadlift it doesn’t make schlepping it all the way home a good plan.
You seem to be either contradicting your position, or not accepting other people's comments in good faith.
Here you are arguing against carrying groceries every day, whereas I expect most people would - even in the proximity of markets and grocery stores - do perhaps 2 or 3 trips a week.
In a comment below you fixed upon someone's en passant claim that they're happy to carry 20kg groceries a short distance (a few hundred metres).
Of course, no one is doing 20kg of grocery shopping every day, and there's clearly a happy medium in there between mass/volume and frequency. Obviously the grocery shopping by foot continues to work well for an awful lot of people through Europe and elsewhere, and seems to be well correlated with a higher (perceived) QoL - so I don't understand how you can argue against these realities?