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Re:San Francisco's homelessness is a humanitarian crisis by vineyardmike on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @05:49PM (#29100763)
> That's the reason you've lost empathy for them, because they are humans who have to shit and are denied access to toilets?

Its totally fair, and expected that people lose sympathy when they have to clean up shit.

Yes, if there were safe, available, places to shit then that'd be a good step to avoid this issue. But the root issue is that people no longer have sympathy because its so disruptive and so gross and has been going on for so long.

> I find it so weird that people blame homeless people for defecating on the streets.

They're blamed because they did it. They did it because there is no alt, but they did it, and "it" is gross and not desirable. SF has been talking about the issue for years, and its not resolved, so your tolerance and sympathy drops over time.

Re:San Francisco's homelessness is a humanitarian crisis by david38 on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @07:54PM (#29102098)
Public toilets have been provided in the past. They rapidly turned into drug stalls.
Re:San Francisco's homelessness is a humanitarian crisis by jart on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @06:31PM (#29101295)
I would have thought it'd be the violence. Not like NYC homeless bundled up in a corner keeping warm while praying for the health of those who leave them coin.
Re:San Francisco's homelessness is a humanitarian crisis by gretch on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @06:51PM (#29101509)
Just my perspective, but I don't see that much violence.

Violence is an event and inherently ephemeral. Poop is a thing and it will sit there until removed giving me much more time to see it.

Maybe that's why?

I'm sure violence _would_ get on me pretty quickly, but I just don't see that much violence in the homeless in my local area.

Btw, it feels pretty disingenuous that your example is this group of perfect angel homeless people sleeping and praying on the corner. That rhetoric pretty much immediately loses anyone who has regular contact and they think "welp this person doesn't know what they are talking about"

Re:San Francisco's homelessness is a humanitarian crisis by jart on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @07:24PM (#29101836)
Well thank you for letting me know I lost you. I value your opinion and I'll be sure to take it into consideration. See also: https://danluu.com/look-stupid/
Re:San Francisco's homelessness is a humanitarian crisis by RC_ITR on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @06:23PM (#29101211)
Sure seems weird that people love babies then.
Re:San Francisco's homelessness is a humanitarian crisis by scruple on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @07:03PM (#29101640)
There's a massive gulf between the two and I expect you do know this despite the comment.
Re:San Francisco's homelessness is a humanitarian crisis by RC_ITR on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @07:36PM (#29101936)
Yeah, people generally choose to understand that babies can't help themselves and also choose to believe that the unhoused (literally the group with the least agency in our society) have the agency to help themselves.

EDIT: To be clear. I realize shit is gross. It's the most toxic thing a human regularly encounters.

But the implication of the grossness of shit being a 'bright red line' for lost empathy is that no reasonable human would EVER deal with someone else's shit, when that is demonstrably untrue.

We choose to empathize with babies and not homeless people. That's fine, I guess, but feels sort of gross on the cosmic scale.

Re:San Francisco's homelessness is a humanitarian crisis by bingbingbong on Thursday November 04, 2021 @12:29PM (#29109196)
Pedantic point: Plenty of people don't particularly have a passion for poopies not produced by their progeny.