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Re:Apple Silicon Macs can't boot from external drive if inte... by lamontcg on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @02:05PM (#29085094)
> The SSD is reasonably considered to last the "lifetime" of the product

Except for simply running of out drive space.

So if you want to buy something and have it last 5+ years you need to spec it out from the start to have way more drive space than you think you'll ever use.

Or else when it runs out and you really need that extra space you're forced to upgrade everything in order to get the extra space since you made an initial mistake in specing out the machine when you first bought it.

(I also strongly question the idea that un-removability provides much better lifetime over simply removing the spinning parts. That seems of questionable benefit to the end user, while taking upgradability away creates planned obsolescence that increases someone's financial metrics at apple and takes away consumer freedom).

Re:Apple Silicon Macs can't boot from external drive if inte... by codetrotter on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @02:39PM (#29085597)
> Except for simply running of out drive space.

> So if you want to buy something and have it last 5+ years you need to spec it out from the start to have way more drive space than you think you'll ever use.

Yup. When I bought my MBP M1 2020, I foolishly went with 256GB of storage.

Installed Xcode and that was like 15GB of available storage space gone right then and there. The simulators take another few GB on top of that.

Add to that all of the other software that I use, another significant portion of storage space is taken.

And with my own files on top, I routinely have only about 10-15 GB of available space out of the 256 GB, which is quite annoying. And it also means not being able to install some stuff that I use only sometimes, because with the limited amount of space I have I cannot waste it on things that I only rarely use. But that means I don’t get to use those things at all unfortunately.

Not being able to do anything about this is about the only gripe I have with this machine. So all in all I am still very happy with it. But not as happy as I would’ve been if I wasn’t constantly running out of storage space.

And I even thought I was giving myself enough room for everything, because my previous computer was a MacBook Air 2018 model with 128GB storage, where I was also running out of space all the time, so even though I really wanted to buy the 1TB model of MBP M1 2020 I landed on the 256GB thinking that hey it’s still twice what I had so it should be enough right. Well, no, not quite enough as it soon turned out.

Re:Apple Silicon Macs can't boot from external drive if inte... by lamontcg on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @02:43PM (#29085674)
Yeah I just ordered a 16" MBP M1 and my math was that I routinely run with about 1TB of storage with a lot of fussiness, I would have ordered 2TB, but since it isn't upgradeable I ordered 4TB.

That made someone's numbers at apple like $400 better at least.

And it would probably be better for me financially to wait 4-5 years until I really needed 4TB before upgrading (if I ever needed to, which I might not).

Same thing with RAM. 16GB is proving to simply not be quite enough, so I would have gone with 32GB, but instead I went for 64GB for future-proofing.

I'd much rather have bought 32GB now, and then upgraded to 64GB maybe multiple years down the road when I needed it.

Re:Apple Silicon Macs can't boot from external drive if inte... by radley on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @06:03PM (#29088040)
FWIW, a 4TB SSD with the same speed (7GB/sec) is currently $1200 ($750 more than the 2TB). So Apple's price is decent for the current market.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08Q54GHTC/

I'm certainly not enthused about being stuck with current market capacities, but at least I don't feel gouged on price.

Re:Apple Silicon Macs can't boot from external drive if inte... by lamontcg on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @07:15PM (#29088821)
Yeah but I don't need a 4TB SSD right now. I barely need a 2TB.
Re:Apple Silicon Macs can't boot from external drive if inte... by magicalhippo on Wednesday November 03, 2021 @05:48AM (#29092625)
At least that extra free space will ensure you have optimal speed (SSD's slow down writes when they close to capacity) and prolong the lifetime of the drive (less write cycles per cell), so it's not for nothing.
Re:Apple Silicon Macs can't boot from external drive if inte... by sroussey on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @11:40PM (#29090882)
I have 2TB of data but use a 1 TB drive and let the OS leave a bunch of files in the cloud, the one I don’t use.
Re:Apple Silicon Macs can't boot from external drive if inte... by nieve on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @09:20PM (#29089978)
Unless for some reason your vendor (Lenovo) has decided to stick a second M.2 slot in your laptop model and you can just buy an expansion drive in a couple of years when they're cheaper without having to swap out your old one. That was one of the nicer surprises about the ThinkPad X1 Extreme Gen 2. I'm guessing you can get a configuration that uses both slots from the start, but I didn't see it when I bought mine.
Re:Apple Silicon Macs can't boot from external drive if inte... by filmgirlcw on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @02:49PM (#29085768)
Yup. I just got a M1 Max with the 32-core GPU, 64GB of RAM, etc. The only area I cheaped out, relatively speaking, was with storage. Where I kept it at 1TB. I sort of regret this now (despite having a 2TB SSD in my iMac, a 2TB SSD in my gaming PC, several 1TB external SSDs, and a NAS with 24TB all in my home), but after spending over $4300 with tax/Apple Care, I just couldn't stomach a $400 upsell. But I spent $4300 in the hopes that this will be a five year laptop. I think I'll be fine as far as storage goes, since so much of what I do is on clouds anyway, but I am already having minor "what if" pangs, since I can't upgrade the SSD.