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Re:Silicon Valley wants to power the U.S. war machine by manishsharan on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @07:47AM (#29079842)
So we are playing what-aboutism?

My turn: I am trying to find a list of warlords and oppressive regimes who have destabilized other countries, invaded and subjugated countries under false pretenses caused millions of deaths etc. etc.

Re:Silicon Valley wants to power the U.S. war machine by nix23 on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @07:51AM (#29079880)
I put that sentence:

"warlords and oppressive regimes who have destabilized other countries, invaded and subjugated countries under false pretenses caused millions of death"

Into google and the 3rd result was that ;)

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CRECB-2006-pt8/html/CREC...

"Global war on terror "

Re:Silicon Valley wants to power the U.S. war machine by bbarnett on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @07:57AM (#29079930)
Yet that google ranking was likely about the US's citizenry, a portion of them, using political process to curb, and reduce military usage.

In other words, the US curtailing itself.

Re:Silicon Valley wants to power the U.S. war machine by bbarnett on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @07:53AM (#29079889)
What-aboutisms are not about comparing actions against others.

I did not say the US does not go to war. I merely said, call a thing what it is.

In terms of empires, compared to its power, the US empire is the most peaceful empire in the history of mankind.

Imagine the Roman Empire, The British, with the power the US has. Imagine any other empire in history.

The entire world would be directly, ruled by the US!

Now look at the US again.

Re:Silicon Valley wants to power the U.S. war machine by maxmamis on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @08:15AM (#29080099)
> the US is the most peaceful empire in the history of mankind.

i want some of whatever the hell it is you're smoking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_r...

Re:Silicon Valley wants to power the U.S. war machine by JumpCrisscross on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @08:36AM (#29080294)
In any measure of global per capita rates of violent deaths, or military spending as a fraction of global GDP, we are currently in a golden age. Certainly, across the millennia. Arguably, post industrialization.

If peace means quietly sitting in the corner while havoc is wrought around you, then no, America isn't very peaceful.

Re:Silicon Valley wants to power the U.S. war machine by AmericanChopper on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @08:32AM (#29080264)
If you consider the US to be an empire, then the statement is legitimately true. In terms of modern era “empires” it could only be compared to China or Russia, and the US is certainly more peaceful than those countries. If you want to look back through history, then all 3 of those countries are more peaceful than any empire that’s come before. The Roman Empire was kicked off by defeating Carthage twice, making them pay war reparations for 50 years, and once that was done going back and erasing their entire society from existence just to make sure they were never a threat again.
Re:Silicon Valley wants to power the U.S. war machine by maxmamis on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @08:36AM (#29080289)
“peaceful empire” is a total oxymoron. the concept of empire is predicated on the subjugation of other countries and people.

and please, citation very much needed on the assertion that China is more warlike than the US.

Re:Silicon Valley wants to power the U.S. war machine by AmericanChopper on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @09:13AM (#29080666)
So is “peaceful country”. The ongoing existence of every country is predicated on its ability to wage war (or make friends with countries that wage war). Nearly all of the borders on the globe were defined by war. But that doesn’t mean countries or empires can’t have differing views towards peace and aggression.

In regards to China, I said it was less peaceful, which seems obviously true to me. China has ongoing territorial disputes with ever country close to it, which extends to raising man-made islands out of the sea to push back the sea borders of its neighbors. It believes it outright owns two neighboring countries, occupying one of them, and constantly threatening to conquer the other. A large amount of its northern region used to be Mongolia until the government one day sent millions of Chinese people to live there, and just redrew its maps. As a country it was also founded upon a revolution that included arguably the most brutal mass slaying of civilians in history.

The US fights more wars, but China is far more belligerent imo, and engages in outright territorial conquest every opportunity it gets.