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Re:Tell HN: Tesla rear-ended me on autopilot, no one will in... by tshaddox on Monday November 01, 2021 @06:30PM (#29074104)
Genuine question, what temperature are cars expected to be stored at safely? I'm not talking about engine temperature, just literally the room temperate of the garage. I'm not wanting to excuse or accuse anyone here, but are cars supposed to be manufactured such that they can sit in 150F garages for days at a time without any maintenance?
Re:Tell HN: Tesla rear-ended me on autopilot, no one will in... by leoedin on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @06:30AM (#29079273)
Because cars sit out in the sun in hot countries all day (unavoidably), the automotive supply chain have developed quite rigorous standards for pretty much everything in a car.

Typically every electronic component must be rated from -40 to +105 C. I'd imagine there's similar requirements for all the interior parts of a car too. Cars have a lot of glass, so get very hot in direct sunlight and quickly reach ambient on cold nights.

The reason cars take so long to "catch up" to consumer electronics (eg it's only in the last year or two that large LCD displays have started appearing in cars, or that LED headlights have become commonplace) is that the car design cycle is very long - typically about 7 years. Tesla decided to do things differently, which meant they could iterate much quicker. It also meant they used components not qualified for automotive use. Mostly they got away with it, but there have been some issues (for example their large displays started failing in hot countries).

Re:Tell HN: Tesla rear-ended me on autopilot, no one will in... by heavyset_go on Monday November 01, 2021 @07:09PM (#29074486)
There are a lot of cars that get parked in the hot Arizona sun everyday, where temperatures outdoors can exceed 100 F and interior temperatures can exceed 150 F[1].

[1] https://www.desertsun.com/story/life/home-garden/james-corne...

Re:Tell HN: Tesla rear-ended me on autopilot, no one will in... by kymaz on Monday November 01, 2021 @11:15PM (#29076529)
I would expect SOME vehicles to do so just fine.

Really hot weather in the Continental USA can be pretty toasty, and if a garage was designed more like a crummy solar furnace, I would expect to see it hit those temperatures.

My car has survived at least 150F interior temperatures parked outside during a sunny Pacific Northwest heatwave. I'm estimating that temp because I had some plastic in the car that was rated to lose stiffness at 150F and it got a bit floppy after the car was parked outside in sunny 105F+ weather weeks on end and the plastic was in shade.

It can be hard on lead acid batteries and shorten their life, some lithium ion battery chemistries top out at 130F ambient operating temperature, and ABS plastic that dashboards can be made of is rated to about 176F. If its 150F ambient, the dash could be even hotter.

Re:Tell HN: Tesla rear-ended me on autopilot, no one will in... by jmpman on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @10:45AM (#29082039)
When the Tesla technician came out to replace the camera anti reflection shield, the plastic just crumbled in his hands.

Btw, they never actually replaced the camera, just the anti reflection shield, and cleaned the windshield and the camera lens.

Re:Tell HN: Tesla rear-ended me on autopilot, no one will in... by ihattendorf on Monday November 01, 2021 @07:17PM (#29074586)
> my car is parked outside ... the interior temperatures can easily rise over 150f

I live in Arizona as well and this is why you'll see everyone in parking lots parking under trees in the summer, with empty spaces in between.

Teslas have overheat protection (turns on the AC when interior temp > 105F) for a reason (one of them because it's cheaper to manufacture cars that don't need to withstand higher temperatures).

Re:Tell HN: Tesla rear-ended me on autopilot, no one will in... by xwdv on Monday November 01, 2021 @06:34PM (#29074151)
Your garage is not 150F, and certainly not for days at a time.
Re:Tell HN: Tesla rear-ended me on autopilot, no one will in... by jmpman on Tuesday November 02, 2021 @10:43AM (#29082004)
It’s not parked in a garage. Outside, facing southwest, in the Phoenix summer.

Tesla’s overheat protection only works for 12 hours at a time. If I were commuting, then maybe this wouldn’t have happened, but during Covid, the car was just sitting there for days without being driven. Tesla doesn’t offer a way to extend overheat protection past 12 hours, even when plugged in.

Re:Tell HN: Tesla rear-ended me on autopilot, no one will in... by tshaddox on Monday November 01, 2021 @06:46PM (#29074258)
Indeed mine certainly is not, but apparently the parent commenter's routinely reaches 150F.
Re:Tell HN: Tesla rear-ended me on autopilot, no one will in... by hoppyhoppy2 on Monday November 01, 2021 @08:27PM (#29075282)
I assumed they were referring to the interior of the vehicle rather than the interior of a building.
Re:Tell HN: Tesla rear-ended me on autopilot, no one will in... by kfprt on Monday November 01, 2021 @07:13PM (#29074541)
I suppose teslas could come with warnings, "this vehicle is not intended for use in Arizona".