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Re:Skimpflation: A reason inflation is worse than the govern... by seanhunter on Monday November 01, 2021 @02:43AM (#29063692)
That's true although if you're spending all of your income on debt service and basic living costs, then reducing the real value of the nominal of your debt doesn't in fact increase your standard of living at all. Theoretically you're better off, but all of your income still goes on debt service and basic living costs. The basic living costs have gone up in nominal terms while the debt service is still the same. It's depreciated in real value but the nominal is still the same.
Re:Skimpflation: A reason inflation is worse than the govern... by dannyw on Monday November 01, 2021 @03:24AM (#29063886)
On a statistical basis, the poor holds more debt. From that basis, inflation is good.

A lot of people don't realise inflation is essentially a stealth cash wealth tax. It applies to savings, debt, dollar-denominated contracts, etc.

Re:Skimpflation: A reason inflation is worse than the govern... by usrusr on Monday November 01, 2021 @04:42AM (#29064285)
But as you correctly put it, it's a cash wealth tax. The poor have all the wealth they do have in cash. Similar for those somewhat above poverty, if they done go deep on debt.

The poor don't hold debt. "I live in a nice house that's still owned by the bank" is not poverty.

And you might find that even many of the rich (who have far more in assets than they have in debt or cash) will still have more debt than cash, because while investing on debt is generally considered stupid, investing on debt that could be fully cleared by the the object invested in (house/land) as collateral is the exception. People rich enough to buy houses for renting out rarely pay them in cash. The winners of inflation debt decay are not who you think they are.

Re:Skimpflation: A reason inflation is worse than the govern... by throw0101a on Monday November 01, 2021 @07:22AM (#29065311)
> The poor have all the wealth they do have in cash.

I would think that the poor have no cash… that's why they're called "poor" after all.

The bottom 50% of income earners can barely cover the 'necessities' (housing, food, transportation, healthcare):

* https://ofdollarsanddata.com/the-biggest-lie-in-personal-fin...

Re:Skimpflation: A reason inflation is worse than the govern... by nybble41 on Monday November 01, 2021 @02:47PM (#29071106)
> I would think that the poor have no cash… that's why they're called "poor" after all.

They have contracts denominated in cash—for example, their wages from employment. That's where inflation tends to hurt the most since wages tend to trail behind inflation (or deflation). And of course being "poor" doesn't imply that you literally have zero savings, though you probably don't have enough to be worth the hassle and expense of a brokerage account to invest in stocks, ETFs, or mutual funds. For small amounts the transaction fees alone would be more than the gains.

Regarding the article you cited, it occurs to me that the authors never mentioned how long any given household remains in a particular category. If I took a year-long sabbatical from work, for example, then I would end up in that "lowest 20%" group with zero income while I lived off my savings, but that doesn't mean I'm experiencing any kind of financial difficulty. The same goes for students still receiving support from their parents, or for anyone who is retired and living off of a lifetime's worth of investments (though probably not pre-tax 401(k)/IRA, depending on the study methodology, since these distributions are generally considered "income" for tax purposes). "Lowest 20% by income" is not a fixed group. This is apparent simply from the fact that expenses cannot exceed income indefinitely; eventually you must either increase your income, at which point you are no longer counted in that statistic, or else decrease your expenses. But the idea of a shifting group of households which temporarily earn less than they spend paints a very different picture than the one the article implies.

Re:Skimpflation: A reason inflation is worse than the govern... by imtringued on Monday November 01, 2021 @05:46AM (#29064665)
It's not a stealth cash wealth tax. It's literal debt forgiveness. You can even call it a collectivized form of continuous insolvency. E.g. instead of every 20th debt contract being forgiven entirely 5% of every debt contract is forgiven.

The benefit is that if the creditors (mostly upper classes) refuse to forgive the debt then you don't need an angry mob with pitchforks to cancel the contract (revolution).

Re:Skimpflation: A reason inflation is worse than the govern... by kzrdude on Monday November 01, 2021 @04:22AM (#29064194)
Inflation is "progressive" in this sense, however everyone wealthy would hold mostly assets, not cash.
Re:Skimpflation: A reason inflation is worse than the govern... by imtringued on Monday November 01, 2021 @05:49AM (#29064679)
They still hold a decent amount of cash as a percentage of their portfolio. 10% of a million dollar portfolio is still $100k which is more than the average joe has. He would use that money to buy a house instead of letting it sit around.

Yes, bigger down payments suck but that is mostly a zoning/housing supply issue.

Re:Skimpflation: A reason inflation is worse than the govern... by sokoloff on Monday November 01, 2021 @07:17AM (#29065282)
I’d guess that many (perhaps most) wealthy households hold far more dollar-denominated debt in their real-estate and business interests than they do cash.
Re:Skimpflation: A reason inflation is worse than the govern... by nradov on Monday November 01, 2021 @09:11AM (#29066237)
It's very rare for wealthy people to hold 10% of their assets in cash (or even cash equivalents). When they purchase real estate they usually take out loans secured by their other assets.
Re:Skimpflation: A reason inflation is worse than the govern... by webreac on Monday November 01, 2021 @03:42AM (#29063972)
Inflation is good only for long term debt.