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Re:Zillow has listed 93% of the hundreds of Phoenix homes it... by thatfrenchguy on Sunday October 31, 2021 @04:38PM (#29060195)
To be fair, housing in places without institutional investors have also shot up a lot, so it’s hard to know whether that’s their effect of just the pent-up demand due to the pandemic linked to people having more money to throw on housing after a year or not going/vacationing out.
Re:Zillow has listed 93% of the hundreds of Phoenix homes it... by inter_netuser on Sunday October 31, 2021 @05:06PM (#29060437)
Rural places shot up? Where? I haven’t seen it.
Re:Zillow has listed 93% of the hundreds of Phoenix homes it... by sokoloff on Sunday October 31, 2021 @05:13PM (#29060508)
All over southern/central NH and VT definitely shot up in the last 1.5 years.
Re:Zillow has listed 93% of the hundreds of Phoenix homes it... by ldbooth on Sunday October 31, 2021 @05:42PM (#29060725)
To couch this for the US assets, 2020 M2 money supply shot up 30%, a historically significant amount. I'm still waiting to see if the "gains" in stocks/housing since 2020 is really a gain or the immediate result of price inflation due to money printing. Or "quantitative easing".
Re:Zillow has listed 93% of the hundreds of Phoenix homes it... by jjeaff on Sunday October 31, 2021 @09:20PM (#29062142)
As the other commenter mentioned M2 supply is up, but a lot of that is actually due to a change in how it is calculated. But m2 supply is up. That being said, low interest rates probably has a lot more to do with prices going up.
Re:Zillow has listed 93% of the hundreds of Phoenix homes it... by sokoloff on Sunday October 31, 2021 @06:21PM (#29061037)
The M2 inclusions changed in May 2020: https://gonzoecon.com/2021/04/m1-and-m2-have-changed/
Re:Zillow has listed 93% of the hundreds of Phoenix homes it... by repsilat on Sunday October 31, 2021 @07:12PM (#29061393)
To be honest, those definitions are looking pretty arbitrary. I read the other day[1] (from an academic economist, though perhaps not a mainstream one?),

>> The government, Fed and Treasury, basically printed up about $5 trillion of new cash and treasury debt -- these are largely perfect substitutes so the composition doesn't really matter.

I take this to mean, "interest rates are around zero, and the debt is going to be rolled over when it comes due." An I guess Treasury mostly issues short-term debt, and the Fed is holding short-term rates down, so if we assume new debt issuance has ~no interest-rate impact, fiscal effects seem to have more relevance to inflation than monetary ones:

- Monetary interventions mostly trade "money-like" things for other "money-like" things, both sides denominated in dollars. Maybe the actual dollars involved are "created", but the bonds bought are effectively retired, so no real net effect.

- Fiscal interventions involve creation of "money like" things and trading them for goods and services, bidding up prices.

Interest rate markets look like they're expecting some give in the short term, so maybe this will stop being quite as true, but it looks like those markets aren't predicting anything like "normalisation" over the longer term.

1: https://johnhcochrane.blogspot.com/2021/10/transitory-inflat...

Re:Zillow has listed 93% of the hundreds of Phoenix homes it... by nostrademons on Sunday October 31, 2021 @07:09PM (#29061374)
From your article, M1 inclusions changed in May 2020, to include Savings & other Checkable deposits which were previously in M2. M1 is now effectively the same as M2 and is no longer reported independently.

To my knowledge, there have been no significant changes to the definition of M2 in 2020. The increase there is real. The M2 definition change mentioned in the article was on Jan 1, 1973.

Re:Zillow has listed 93% of the hundreds of Phoenix homes it... by sokoloff on Sunday October 31, 2021 @07:20PM (#29061435)
Ok. Thanks for correction. Teaches me to not to discuss complex topics online while trick-or-treating. I’ll read it more carefully next time/later.
Re:Zillow has listed 93% of the hundreds of Phoenix homes it... by dboreham on Sunday October 31, 2021 @06:45PM (#29061204)
In southwest Montana where I live. Neighbors sold their house to move into a camper parked on a relative's land where they plan to ride out the construction material supply chain restrictions then build another house. This is one of four similar stories from people I know directly.
Re:Zillow has listed 93% of the hundreds of Phoenix homes it... by Marsymars on Sunday October 31, 2021 @09:04PM (#29062062)
Re:Zillow has listed 93% of the hundreds of Phoenix homes it... by brendoelfrendo on Sunday October 31, 2021 @06:11PM (#29060943)
Just piling in with the other examples, North Carolina has seen a huge surge.
Re:Zillow has listed 93% of the hundreds of Phoenix homes it... by davidandgoliath on Sunday October 31, 2021 @05:17PM (#29060540)
Your definition of rural may not meet the official one. We're up 20% here in a rural area of TN.
Re:Zillow has listed 93% of the hundreds of Phoenix homes it... by MattGaiser on Sunday October 31, 2021 @05:36PM (#29060691)
All of the southern half of Ontario has shot up dramatically.
Re:Zillow has listed 93% of the hundreds of Phoenix homes it... by pedalpete on Sunday October 31, 2021 @06:24PM (#29061058)
All along the east coast of Australia as well.
Re:Zillow has listed 93% of the hundreds of Phoenix homes it... by briffle on Sunday October 31, 2021 @09:03PM (#29062055)
The entire state of idaho