Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data, Central District of California

Re:Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data, Central Distric... by mLuby on Friday October 29, 2021 @11:53PM (#29045845)

> proportionality and tactics are rare and unique

Are they though? First it's "only" to catch the super-terrorists. Then it's only to catch the murderers. Then it's for VIP missing person cases. Then it's petty crime. Then it's for political opponents. Then nobody dares ask anymore about "legitimacy, proportionality, oversight."

When those in power grant themselves more power, the onus is on them to prove they can't abuse that power. Of course, the way power works is they have that choice and we don't.

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Re:Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data, Central Distric... by int_19h on Saturday October 30, 2021 @02:13AM (#29046426)

And to be clear, this isn't some hypothetical slippery slope, either - we've literally already seen it happen. E.g. various legislation passed ostensibly to target terrorism is routinely misused. Here's just one example that predates the Patriot Act, even: https://www.hrw.org/report/2010/07/04/without-suspicion/stop....

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Re:Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data, Central Distric... by ChrisKnott on Saturday October 30, 2021 @06:29AM (#29047629)

I don't think your link supports what you're saying at all...? In fact it gives examples of police forces voluntarily limiting it's use, essentially the opposite of a slippery slope...

Are you confusing S44 with S60 Stop and Search?

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Re:Grand jury subpoena for Signal user data, Central Distric... by jollybean on Saturday October 30, 2021 @12:11PM (#29049872)

By that argument, the entire justice system is a 'slippery slope'. It probably is to some extent, that's a good reason to vote.

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