Re:Scientists recreated classic origin-of-life experiment an...
by dekhn on Friday October 29, 2021 @01:49PM
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this experiment only reduces the uncertaintly that the building blocks are widely available. The big problem wiht this experiment is that it misestimated the nature of the early atmosphere and os they basically simulated another planet. We don't know if any other planets have life, so simulating another planet isn't useful to illuminate anything about life on earth.
Re:Scientists recreated classic origin-of-life experiment an...
by ls612 on Friday October 29, 2021 @06:36PM
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Huh? We know whatever the early conditions of earth were they were clearly amenable to the formation of these organic compounds since life arose here. It's absolutely also interesting to know that in certain known conditions this can also arise, even if those conditions are not the only conditions capable of creating the phenomenon.
Re:Scientists recreated classic origin-of-life experiment an...
by Socketier on Saturday October 30, 2021 @10:57AM
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That's circular reasoning. We're here so it must have happened in this specific way therefore it happened.
Sure, an expertly guided experiment in a glass tube can make some basic amino acids but they had to be removed from the experiment immediately before the the product was ruined by further reactions. It was a guided process which we've got no further in accounting for in the wild.
We've made no progress since these experiments to answering the questions posted by the theory of abiogenesis.
We've got no concrete answers, only suppositions.
This is not a popular thing to talk about but the fact remains that we are absolutely nowhere close to solving this in the manner in which we are proceeding in OoL studies. The track record for uncondendable conjecture is abysmal.
Re:Scientists recreated classic origin-of-life experiment an...
by ballenf on Friday October 29, 2021 @08:19AM
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It's kind of like saying learning to jump really high is the first step to getting to the moon.
Re:Scientists recreated classic origin-of-life experiment an...
by csee on Friday October 29, 2021 @11:09AM
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This is an example of why analogies and metaphors make clear thinking difficult. They're easy to think up - anyone can find some abstract similarity between X and absurd thing Y - but there is no substance there since the two things being compared are actually very different beyond that abstraction.
Re:Scientists recreated classic origin-of-life experiment an...
by 1_player on Friday October 29, 2021 @08:23AM
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Certainly. It would help to understand gravity, which is absolutely crucial to flying to the Moon.
Re:Scientists recreated classic origin-of-life experiment an...
by AutumnCurtain on Friday October 29, 2021 @08:48AM
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Also helps with an immediate understanding of ballistics and escape velocity
Re:Scientists recreated classic origin-of-life experiment an...
by pfdietz on Friday October 29, 2021 @08:28AM
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Or like saying "look, the monkey can sometimes make small words appear when it bangs on the keys of this typewriter. This tells us something about the origins of novels."
Re:Scientists recreated classic origin-of-life experiment an...
by gliptic on Friday October 29, 2021 @08:45AM
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Learning how writing was invented is certainly a step towards understanding the origin of novels.
Re:Scientists recreated classic origin-of-life experiment an...
by FridayoLeary on Friday October 29, 2021 @09:37AM
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studying the behaviour of a monkey when introduced to a typewriter doesn't. Studying the formation of a few molecules in a controlled environment hardly explains how living forms came to exist.
Re:Scientists recreated classic origin-of-life experiment an...
by gliptic on Friday October 29, 2021 @09:48AM
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If you never learn where a few molecules came from, how could you possibly make progress on the problem?
Re:Scientists recreated classic origin-of-life experiment an...
by dekhn on Friday October 29, 2021 @02:19PM
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we made substantial progress in biology before we understood molecules. this is because it's not necessary to be entirely reductive to understand larger systems.
Re:Scientists recreated classic origin-of-life experiment an...
by gliptic on Friday October 29, 2021 @03:06PM
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Yes, but we're talking origin of life.
Re:Scientists recreated classic origin-of-life experiment an...
by SavantIdiot on Friday October 29, 2021 @12:05PM
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A better analogy, but it still can be steered toward, "...without a Writer. This is why there is a Writer." Capital intentional.
There are several steps to go from no life to life as we know it. This experiment illuminates one of those steps. How is that "nothing"?