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Re:Intel Alder Lake Mobility CPU Faster Than Apple M1 Max by kergonath on Thursday October 28, 2021 @10:31AM (#29026537)
The point of fairness is not to give participation trophies to a company because the others had better tools. If a product is worse, then it is worse. Warm feelings because Intel does not have access to the best technology is not going to make any laptop run cooler.

I can understand the “they’re an underdog, so they deserve some money even if their products are not the absolute best”, but casting Intel as the poor underdog being steamrolled by their competition because they cannot get the latest and greatest is strange, to say the least.

Re:Intel Alder Lake Mobility CPU Faster Than Apple M1 Max by omegalulw on Thursday October 28, 2021 @11:59AM (#29027585)
I should have clarified this earlier. Personally I'm interested in how competitive Intel will be in the future (their stock took a massive dive recently).

Right now, it seems to me that Intel is behind both on the node and on the architecture vs M1 (and AMD). I expect them to eventually fix the node (or just buy from TSMC) but if they don't fix the latter that's a big deal.

From the POV of buying a CPU/laptop today, absolutely, power comparison and performance both are essential.

Re:Intel Alder Lake Mobility CPU Faster Than Apple M1 Max by kergonath on Thursday October 28, 2021 @04:22PM (#29031405)
You've got a point, but the discussions are most of the time not about the theoretical characteristics of an architecture on a process node that it will never use. It's people beating each other on the head about which mega-corp has CPUs a few percents faster than the other.

From a historical point of view, a systematic shift to hotter, more power-hungry chips was never a good sign (see for example the various Pentium 4s and the successive incarnations of Bulldozer and Piledriver). I hope it's a stopgap and that they have a new Core 2 masterpiece being readied, but let's not kid ourselves: it does not look good. the Physics of heat transfer put a limit to the gains in performance you can achieve if you don't also increase efficiency. It's cold comfort to know that your CPU would be wonderful if cooled with liquid nitrogen when your desktop throttles under load.

Re:Intel Alder Lake Mobility CPU Faster Than Apple M1 Max by klelatti on Thursday October 28, 2021 @12:21PM (#29027808)
That’s a very fair perspective.

I’m an Intel bear on their existing markets - mainly because even if they achieve parity with TSMC the lead is gone and others will take market share.

I’m more positive on the Intel GPU business though given the potential huge demand for ML compute.

Re:Intel Alder Lake Mobility CPU Faster Than Apple M1 Max by kwertyoowiyop on Thursday October 28, 2021 @12:23PM (#29027834)
Crazy how things change, isn’t it? How unthinkable would “Apple is a bully, give poor Intel a break” have seemed 20 years ago?