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Re:Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip by zbobet2012 on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @01:08AM (#28996630)
>this is really interesting

Sadly this is not really interesting, it's disingenuous. He benchmarked against a ten year old (03/06/2012) server CPU. My two year old intel laptop cpu (i7-9750H) also outperforms the xeon's he's comparing against by almost 40%.

The M1 is a great chip, it's sad that this got published with a "server chip" comparison at all. A real server class CPU from the modern era, at a comparable price point, is the AMD EPYC 7443P, which is 400% faster on cpu bench.

Re:Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip by ykl on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:32AM (#28997099)
Hello, author here! I'm aware that that the Xeon E5-2680 is ancient, which is why I also included comparisons with the Xeon W-3245 that is in the current 2019 Mac Pro, and with the Threadripper 3990X, which came out in February 2020.

Unfortunately I don't exactly have access to piles of fancy server chips sitting around, so I had to make do with just testing against what I have access to, and that's all I had access to. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re:Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip by zbobet2012 on Thursday October 28, 2021 @12:06AM (#29022252)
Yeah, but you don't need to "reach for not just high end desktop chips, but for server-class workstation hardware to really beat the M1 Max". Low-market CPU's for desktop will like the Ryzen 5 3600 (newegg for 240$) surpass it on CPU bench. Likely they also surpass it on on raytracing as well. And chips like the AMD Ryzen 7 4800H, which is a "big laptop" CPU, also beat it. The M1 Pro 10 manages to best that, but not by a huge margin on passmark.

None of them beat an actual, modern, mid-market desktop CPU. And none of those compare to the likes of the threadripper.

The test results are amazing, the exposition here is simply inaccurate. Again, you don't need a "server-class highend workstation" CPU to best the M1 in raw performance. Nothing on the planet beats the m1 in tpd/performance. That's amazing enough on its own.

Re:Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip by girvo on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @02:15AM (#28997005)
He also benchmarked it against the Intel Xeon W-3245 which is what that referred to. It's not disingenuous at all: the old Xeon is explicitly called out as old, which is why he compared it to the 2019 Xeon in the Mac Pro as well.
Re:Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip by matheusmoreira on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @07:57AM (#28999258)
> My two year old intel laptop cpu (i7-9750H) also outperforms the xeon's he's comparing against by almost 40%.

Yeah, but for how long? My laptop has a respectable CPU as well but any kind of sustained load would melt it down if it didn't automatically throttle itself back to 2 GHz and below after like 5 seconds.

These M1 chips somehow manage to have great performance while also keeping temperatures and power draw low. I think this will change everything forever.

Re:Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip by intpx on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @09:47AM (#29000317)
> Any kind of sustained load would melt it down if it didn't automatically throttle itself back to 2 GHz and below after like 5 seconds

Bingo

Re:Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip by fomine3 on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @03:04AM (#29010351)
It depends on how the laptop designed to cool it.
Re:Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip by matheusmoreira on Wednesday October 27, 2021 @07:55AM (#29011989)
Cooling laptops just isn't going to happen. I've never had one with a thermal management system that didn't suck. My current laptop has 3 noisy ridiculously loud fans and it can't cool the processor enough to maintain a sustained load at maximum speed. All I have to do to watch it nearly melt itself down at 93 °C is run make all in some project's directory.
Re:Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip by coldtea on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @04:01AM (#28997594)
This comment comes off as idingenuous itself. What about the 3245 or the Threadpiper, also mentioned?
Re:Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip by zbobet2012 on Thursday October 28, 2021 @12:08AM (#29022264)
The test results are great. But you don't need a highend server CPU to best the m1 inraw performance. Most mid-level (around 300$) desktop cpus will do that just fine. The exposition here is simply... wrong.

The remarkable thing about the m1 is the tpd/performance it gets.

Re:Rendering on the Apple M1 Max Chip by 9935c101ab17a66 on Tuesday October 26, 2021 @11:18PM (#29009192)
Imagine complaining about the content of an article you obviously didn't read.