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Re:Orbital Reef: Commercial space station by BlueOrigin, Sie... by panick21_ on Monday October 25, 2021 @01:28PM (#28990600)
Its kind of interesting how all these other companies need to combine their efforts, no company really has a shot to compete by itself outside of SpaceX.

SpaceX has the massive rockets, crew vehicles, cargo transporters, experience with human space flight and are vertically integrated to build these station modules as well.

Blue Origin has the big rocket to launch it (at least in theory). Boeing has the crew transport (again in theory). Sierra Nevada has the cargo transport (at least in theory).

Will be interesting what design SpaceX will come out with. They often surprise. Many people believed they would bid Starship for the Lunar Station resupply but they came out with Dragon XL. Many people didn't believe SpaceX would use Starship to bid on Human Lander for the Moon landing.

I would be shocked if its not designed around Starship. But the question is if they would just launch huge modules with Starship or literally build the station out of Starships. You could even use the gigantic tanks of the Starships as living room. You just need to make the likeable in orbit.

I hope the integrated something to test different G forces. Would be great for testing things that need to work on moon, mars and so on.

P.S: Those that have missed it, Lockeed Marin and Nanoracks are another competitor. That system seems smaller and they can use current rockets and they will use Dragon for Transport. See: https://spacenews.com/nanoracks-and-lockheed-martin-partner-...

Axiomspace will almost certainty bid something too. They are working Thales Alenia Space for manufacturing.

So far Northrop Grumman is not in any of the camps as far as I know.

Re:Orbital Reef: Commercial space station by BlueOrigin, Sie... by _joel on Monday October 25, 2021 @01:38PM (#28990736)
There are a few other interesting companies at the smaller scale and seem to doing fine (albeit some with hiccups and bankruptcy/reincarnation but alas, that's business). RocketLab are going great guns as are Firefly and companies like Astra and Relativity Space (cool 3d printed rockets!) are closely following the pack. It's only because of Bezos's profile and the fact it's been running for decades with no real results that make it seem SpaceX are the only ones killing it.
Re:Orbital Reef: Commercial space station by BlueOrigin, Sie... by panick21_ on Monday October 25, 2021 @01:48PM (#28990888)
These are all rocket companies, I was talking about space station companies.

RocketLab, Firefly, Astra, Relativity Space are all small and have proven little. RocketLab has the most but its still a tiny rocket with a high failure rate so far. But yeah great that they exists. ABL Space belongs in that group.

I think the companies that actually want to do things in space are just as interesting and get less talked about.

Re:Orbital Reef: Commercial space station by BlueOrigin, Sie... by _joel on Monday October 25, 2021 @01:53PM (#28990950)
I get that, but they've done more than Blue Origin already. It's looking like ULA will go for Russian engines rather than the BE-4 ones that were promised by B.O. years ago, whereas the other companies are quietly cracking on and making decent progress, considering their relative funding and resource. Some of the other companies have made actual orbital attempts too (some very close!) whereas what's B.O. done, a joyride for a few people to just past the Karman line.

SpaceX could send their Starship 2.0 (12m diameter opposed to 9, it was going to be 15m) and turn those into stations, which would seem to be a cheaper and quicker solution

Re:Orbital Reef: Commercial space station by BlueOrigin, Sie... by rbanffy on Monday October 25, 2021 @01:48PM (#28990886)
> but they came out with Dragon XL.

They have at least 10 slightly used Dragon 1 capsules that, if they can be refurbished, will save them a lot of money.

> or literally build the station out of Starships.

It's entirely possible to build a module like that using a slightly modified lunar version (no heat tiles, no wings), a docking adapter at the very top and enough solar panels and radiators in the trunk to be installed on the outside. Engines could be removed and added to other vehicles for in-orbit assembly (that may be a little bit more complicated - working with pressurized gloves is not great).

In fact, I imagine a whole series of different vehicles derived from the Starship design and riding to orbit on top of the Super Heavy - non-reusable ones, simple booster and orbital tug with light, disposable fairing (and a ridiculous cargo capacity during ascent), vehicles designed to be assembled into larger structures, with inflatable modules with a centrifuges, maybe an Earth-Mars cycler...

Re:Orbital Reef: Commercial space station by BlueOrigin, Sie... by panick21_ on Monday October 25, 2021 @01:53PM (#28990947)
> They have at least 10 slightly used Dragon 1 capsules that, if they can be refurbished, will save them a lot of money.

I don't think that's how Dragon XL will be built. No need for most of what is on Dragon and the wrong shape.

More likely built with the same tooling as the 2nd stage of Falcon 9 combined with the systems from Dragon Cargo (the new one).

> In fact, I imagine a whole series of different vehicles derived from the Starship design

Agree. There are lots ways you can do it. Will be interesting to see how they do it.

> Engines could be removed and added to other vehicles f

Or just bring them back to earth.

Re:Orbital Reef: Commercial space station by BlueOrigin, Sie... by rbanffy on Monday October 25, 2021 @03:37PM (#28992140)
> Or just bring them back to earth.

True. Put them into the now empty cargo bay of a returning Starship and attach them to a new one.

The future seems a lot of fun again.