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Re:YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming... by retrac on Sunday October 24, 2021 @02:32PM (#28980667)
I am reminded of a quote I just ran into from the Canadian Supreme Court on free speech in R v. Zundel. Setting aside any legal questions, I found it interesting for its emphasis on the potential expressive value to disinformation.

> The first difficulty results from the premise that deliberate lies can never have value. Exaggeration -- even clear falsification -- may arguably serve useful social purposes linked to the values underlying freedom of expression. A person fighting cruelty against animals may knowingly cite false statistics in pursuit of his or her beliefs and with the purpose of communicating a more fundamental message, e.g., `cruelty to animals is increasing and must be stopped'. A doctor, in order to persuade people to be inoculated against a burgeoning epidemic, may exaggerate the number or geographical location of persons potentially infected with the virus. An artist, for artistic purposes, may make a statement that a particular society considers both an assertion of fact and a manifestly deliberate lie; consider the case of Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses, viewed by many Muslim societies as perpetrating deliberate lies against the Prophet.

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Re:YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming... by jeegsy on Monday October 25, 2021 @08:21AM (#28986960)
The speed at which we have embraced censorship with the attendant rationalizations has been amazing.
Re:YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming... by tragictrash on Monday October 25, 2021 @09:36AM (#28987618)
Who is doing the censoring here? It's YouTube. They have a right to remove content from their platform as they see fit, in accordance with their TOS. There is no right to post YouTube videos in the constitution.

Your not being oppressed. Get over it.

Re:YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming... by retrac on Monday October 25, 2021 @09:45AM (#28987709)
I refer you back to my original comment. I quoted the Canadian Supreme Court in part to separate the legal question from the deeper one. As a non-American, the legal question is honestly pretty boring. The deeper issue of what constitutes a healthy society with free debate and expression, however, is interesting to me.

Because free speech is a societal and cultural value, as much as a legal one. A commune of religious weirdos with no laws at all could be highly tolerant or intolerant of dissent. It could embrace or reject free speech, just socially based on whether they ostracize the dissenters. Similarly, a nation of publishers where every publisher refuses to publish anything controversial, dissident or offensive may have no First Amendment issues, but it's not one that takes the principles and values of free speech very seriously.

Re:YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming... by tragictrash on Monday October 25, 2021 @11:15AM (#28988740)
There is no question here other than the legal one. End of story. These people have their free speech. If that artist wanted to, they could host their own website and serve that video all day long.

It seems like you are confusing real life with some fantasy world you live in. Welcome to late stage capitalism. It's not fair.

Re:YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming... by jeegsy on Monday October 25, 2021 @04:35PM (#28992793)
As I said, rationalizations. What is also amazing is that people think that repeating the obvious in vaguely sassy fashion is somehow an argument. In any case, Youtube's "rights" as you call them would be more palatable if they did not enjoy section 230 immunity. Furthermore, I'm sure there is a legal case to be made regarding the Government employing private actors in a manner that violates the first amendment.
Re:YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming... by tragictrash on Monday October 25, 2021 @06:22PM (#28993916)
So you want to limit free speech then? Who gets to have free speech in your opinion?

It is sad I have to repeat myself so you can understand that private companies can do as they please.

Re:YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming... by jeegsy on Monday October 25, 2021 @09:30PM (#28995360)
I have said no such thing, quite the opposite. If you have truly missed that then, an further discussion with you is doomed.
Re:YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming... by tragictrash on Monday October 25, 2021 @10:00PM (#28995586)
Nah you got me, that was a trap