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Re:Message from cycling heaven: it’s not that fantastic here by almeria on Sunday October 24, 2021 @09:12AM (#28977587)
Another thing I only noticed when I visited Amsterdam - it's scary for pedestrians.

Compared to what? Los Angeles? Cairo?

Less sarcastically: I get your point, but it's a tradeoff. It's a beautifully car-free (and just plain beautiful and eminently livable) city otherwise. Yes, you do have to be careful about the bikes (as one must with cars, buses, and trucks, motorbikes and scooters just about anywhere else) -- but wherever you go, you pick your battles.

Re:Message from cycling heaven: it’s not that fantastic here by dazc on Sunday October 24, 2021 @09:51AM (#28977876)
Ha, well pick your battle with an angry car driver and he'll probably shout, gesticulate and then drive away. Do the same with an angry cyclist and the outcome can be somewhat more severe.
Re:Message from cycling heaven: it’s not that fantastic here by addicted on Sunday October 24, 2021 @10:08AM (#28978032)
Or if you’re in the US the car driver will pull out a gun and shoot you.

https://abcnews.go.com/US/disconcerting-rise-road-rage-shoot...

> So far this year, as of June 7, a person has been killed or injured in a suspected road rage shooting on average every 18 hours in the United States

Re:Message from cycling heaven: it’s not that fantastic here by dazc on Sunday October 24, 2021 @10:51AM (#28978437)
Luckilly, in the UK, gun ownership is rare. I will take note and adjust my expectations next time I'm the US.
Re:Message from cycling heaven: it’s not that fantastic here by mathgenius on Sunday October 24, 2021 @10:34AM (#28978274)
I find traffic in LA is extremely chilled. For example, on the smaller roads turning cars yield to pedestrians always (at least in the more affluent areas). This is pretty unique. I've lived in big cities in four different countries and LA traffic is the most relaxed i've found anywhere.
Re:Message from cycling heaven: it’s not that fantastic here by almeria on Monday October 25, 2021 @07:27AM (#28986572)
Given that the carless are second-class citizens in LA -- and that this is one of the most obvious and ever-present facts of life in basically every city that made the ill-fated decision to follow the Los Angeles development "model" --

The first-class citizens might as well take pity on them, after all.

Re:Message from cycling heaven: it’s not that fantastic here by gomox on Sunday October 24, 2021 @11:51AM (#28979058)
Well, they know they're not getting anywhere anytime soon, so why rush? :)