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Re:nMigen – A refreshed Python toolbox for building complex ... by wyager on Saturday October 23, 2021 @12:45PM (#28970114)
There’s definitely a learning curve, but since you’re using a relatively restricted subset of Haskell, you can basically skip learning about things like IO and also most of the Haskell ecosystem, so it’s very manageable.

The learning curve is sort of inherent to the fact that the reason Clash works so well is that semantics of a pure lazy functional language with algebraic data types (very different from what most people learn) almost exactly matches the standard 01XZ semantics of digital circuitry. There’s one very small difference that I’m aware of. The nearly-ideal correspondence is honestly kind of surprising.

Re:nMigen – A refreshed Python toolbox for building complex ... by JoelMcCracken on Saturday October 23, 2021 @11:49PM (#28974816)
Interesting. How does non-strict evaluation match?
Re:nMigen – A refreshed Python toolbox for building complex ... by wyager on Sunday October 24, 2021 @12:53PM (#28979671)
Because in hardware you can have undefined states (bottom) and it’s fine as long as you don’t observe the undefined state (pattern match on bottom). The only difference is pattern matching on Unit, which is represented by a zero-width bus in hardware. Beyond that, non-termination “contaminates” a value just like undefinedness “contaminates” a circuit.
Re:nMigen – A refreshed Python toolbox for building complex ... by melony on Saturday October 23, 2021 @12:55PM (#28970187)
What is the small difference?
Re:nMigen – A refreshed Python toolbox for building complex ... by wyager on Saturday October 23, 2021 @02:49PM (#28971178)
Zero-bit busses cannot have an indeterminate value in hardware. However, zero-bit values (Unit) can have indeterminate value in software.

If you have the circuit

f :: () -> Int

f () = 3

Vs

g :: () -> Int

g _ = 3

Are the exact same thing in hardware but different in software.

“f undefined” is undefined in software but “g undefined” is not. Neither is undefined in hardware.

This distinction comes up very rarely. Only if you have a parametric circuit that sometimes takes zero-bit inputs (I.e. if the input is unused in some instantiations).

Re:nMigen – A refreshed Python toolbox for building complex ... by a1369209993 on Saturday October 23, 2021 @09:59PM (#28974235)
IIUC, this is actually a general deficiency in the type system for variable-width tuples. Consider:

  f1 :: (Bit,()) -> Int
  f1 (0,()) = 3
  f1 (1,()) = 3
  -- f1 (0,undefined) is undefined
  f2 :: (Bit,(Bit,())) -> Int
  -- and so on. Conversely
  g2 :: Bit -> Bit -> Int
  g1 :: Bit -> Int
  g0 :: Int
  -- doesn't have this problem but also doesn't work well for busses.
  -- The 'obvious' approach
  h3 :: (Bit,Bit,Bit) -> Int
  h2 :: (Bit,Bit) -> Int
  h1 :: (Bit) -> Int
  h0 :: () -> Int
  -- doesn't work generically; (Bit) isn't a tuple at all,
  -- and n-element tuples are totally unrelated to m(!=n)-element tuples
  -- (they're literally declared as:
  data (a,b) = (a,b)
  data (a,b,c) = (a,b,c)
  -- in module GHC.Tuple)

You can actually fix this by (ab)using types of kind `TYPE 'UnliftedRep` and unboxed tuples (type `(# Car, Cdr #)`, value `(# b7, b6543210 #)`), it's just generally not worth the effort.