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Re:Trump's new platform and the Affero General Public Licens... by UncleMeat on Friday October 22, 2021 @10:01PM (#28964977)
Nazis are only willing to fight without violence (generally) now because they currently aren’t able to use violence without retaliation. I don’t believe that this “commitment to non-violence” would hold any sway whatsoever were they to hold real power.

I also think it is just observably false that insane people cannot get into power if there is sufficient speech to resist them.

Re:Trump's new platform and the Affero General Public Licens... by dragonwriter on Friday October 22, 2021 @10:43PM (#28965218)
> Nazis are only willing to fight without violence (generally) now

Er, Nazis keep fighting with violence recently, so I’m not convinced that this is accurate at all.

Re:Trump's new platform and the Affero General Public Licens... by UncleMeat on Saturday October 23, 2021 @07:37AM (#28967492)
This is true, but I’m trying to give the poster a steel man since I don’t really think that nazis behaving nicely is a justification for platforming hate speech.
Re:Trump's new platform and the Affero General Public Licens... by brigandish on Saturday October 23, 2021 @10:57PM (#28974543)
You haven't steel manned anything - which part was the steel man? Was it this?

> Nazis are only willing to fight without violence (generally) now because they currently aren’t able to use violence without retaliation.

So what? That doesn't affect my argument in the slightest (as I've already pointed out[1]). I won't be taking up your offer of taking the strongest interpretation of my argument, thanks, because you're either creating a straw man (how ironic) or you've misunderstood the argument presented.

Further, I would suggest that if someone were really steel manning an argument they wouldn't be telling others about it, they'd have continued to respond to the challenges put to them. I don't see such a continuance. What could you be waiting for?

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28965174

Re:Trump's new platform and the Affero General Public Licens... by brigandish on Saturday October 23, 2021 @10:51PM (#28974522)
> Nazis keep fighting with violence recently

Where? And if so, what relevance does that have to those that refrain from violence? If the United States government sanctions an attack by its forces does that make all United States citizens liable for retaliation? If some Muslims commit an act of terror does this mean that all Muslims must be held accountable for those acts?

Or do we, quite rightly, separate out those who commit violent acts from those who don't?

Re:Trump's new platform and the Affero General Public Licens... by brigandish on Friday October 22, 2021 @10:35PM (#28965174)
You don't have to trust their commitment to non-violence, it's beside the point. As long as they are being non-violent and as long as we all have free speech then whatever problems National Socialism might bring if implemented cannot come to pass.

> I also think it is just observably false that insane people cannot get into power if there is sufficient speech to resist them.

You might provide an example.