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Re:After the pandemic, we can’t go back to sleep (2020) by dang on Friday October 22, 2021 @05:35PM (#28963043)
Please don't be an asshole in HN comments, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. You've done this repeatedly (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28673020), and that's not cool.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re:After the pandemic, we can’t go back to sleep (2020) by dang on Friday October 22, 2021 @05:39PM (#28963086)
Sorry to pile on the scolding I already posted (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28963043), but I don't think this description of HN users is either accurate or fair. You can find samples of anything in any large-enough sample, but the median HN user doesn't say that they're special, and we certainly would never claim such a thing.

Comments like this are one reason why we added this guideline: "Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community." I can appreciate the reasons for supercilious putdowns on the internet, but they make for lousy conversation.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:After the pandemic, we can’t go back to sleep (2020) by moistly on Friday October 22, 2021 @09:20PM (#28964756)
Also, I agree, I wasn’t being accurate or fair, at least in general. There are topics where the quality of commentary is dismal.

I’ll try to not comment when I feel a sneer. Thx.

Re:After the pandemic, we can’t go back to sleep (2020) by moistly on Friday October 22, 2021 @09:10PM (#28964703)
“Here it is not about how you feel: it is about whether you make sense” claims specialness and, yes, I took the bait. Sorry.
Re:After the pandemic, we can’t go back to sleep (2020) by mdp2021 on Sunday October 24, 2021 @05:57AM (#28976384)
Moistly, there was no claim of specialness in that idea, and there was no bait. You almost seem to defend a relativism in which all ideas are worth the same, if you make "making sense" akin to "specialness". If that were true, there would be no point to debate. Surely, feeling alone does not constitute any basis for rational exchange - only for communication in terms of "sharing". HN does not read like "There is a shortage if lithium" // "I feel your pain, bro": some of us are very glad it so is, because it would make a largely useless, noisy reading.
Re:After the pandemic, we can’t go back to sleep (2020) by mdp2021 on Sunday October 24, 2021 @11:02AM (#28978544)
Disambiguation at re-reading: «Surely, feeling alone does not constitute any basis for rational exchange» is to be read as "A mediated (unfiltered) expression of feelings in a language which does not work for rational exchange, consistently is noise when attempting that (information exchange, insight and debate)".

Expressed in my unedited (too late), it «feeling alone» ("feeling" alone) could have been read as "when feeling lonely". Which is not what was intended, but seems almost a point: if somebody is here for the greatest laughters, enveloping warmth, or tickling, I am not sure it is the place. Some language and thinking is fit here, some elsewhere.

Re:After the pandemic, we can’t go back to sleep (2020) by moistly on Sunday October 31, 2021 @07:18PM (#29061424)
> And, when one is "special", it is not out of some free membership that confirmation comes.

No claim?

Re:After the pandemic, we can’t go back to sleep (2020) by dang on Friday October 22, 2021 @09:21PM (#28964762)
Thanks for the kind reply. I know that people sometimes say such things, but they're a tiny minority of HN users. I cringe inwardly when I hear them, and I'm probably oversensitive on the point.
Re:After the pandemic, we can’t go back to sleep (2020) by mdp2021 on Sunday October 24, 2021 @05:45AM (#28976319)
Hi Daniel. Sorry but I do not quite understand your point. It seems like you are censoring my statement «Here it is not about how you feel: it is about whether you make sense», and you found it cringeful - it even seems like you state you are glad "my position represents a minority". I am also interested in your "sensitivity", also (not just in terms of sheer human relation) because I do not quite understand what "touches" you in that direction.

I have not yet managed to read (all) pg's interventions. I just read though that according to him "down arrows [can be used to] express agreement". As I tried to observe formerly, though, this contrasts with the direction of "reasoning". If one just "felt" disagreement, but cannot justify it (or will not out of laziness), there will be no progress, no discussion, no quality. The guidelines, I a pretty sure, specify to warn against cheapness, and there is very little cheaper than one's statement "I disagree [end of statement]". What are we debating for if disagreement is not rationalized? I was pretty sure we are meant to be reasoning here, not to do some expressive "performance art". (Note: which I do myself, as an aside luxury, always taking care though that the intellectual structure it accompanies appears solid. Never alone, never without the important bits attached.)

What I tried to express in fact to the user that seems obsessed about the idea that some "feel special", in my last intervention, is that "expression of "feeling" will be consistent with this apparent framework when it will be expressed within a rational framework, which will allow it to be managed within a discussion". Without that, it will not be "information exchange, insight and debate": it will be noise. The very fact that on average we restrain ourselves from joking, to try to keep density high, is indicative.

The quality of debates here are completely different from what you can find elsewhere: as mentioned, for example, YT and Reddit - where noise and low quality are abysmally huge. What is the filter that causes that increase, if not that using the "head" is promoted here instead of lower bits? (It was a rhetoric formula: I am sure it is that.) To quote Daniel G. (read somewhere else), "We are just trying to build a [cannot remember term] that does not suck". It is the direction of consistency with "intellectual curiosity" which is granting that.

Re:After the pandemic, we can’t go back to sleep (2020) by moistly on Sunday October 31, 2021 @07:25PM (#29061462)
> What is the filter that causes that increase

Tireless moderation is what makes this place a bit better. It is the only thing that makes this place better. Remove the moderation and HN will immediately become a Reddit cesspool.

Re:After the pandemic, we can’t go back to sleep (2020) by dang on Sunday October 24, 2021 @04:16PM (#28981465)
I just meant that when enthusiastic users make what seem to me to be excessive claims about HN, I feel embarrassed (a.k.a. cringe). Also, I brace myself because I know that other users are going to get triggered by it.