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Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by ashtonkem on Friday October 22, 2021 @12:42PM (#28959419)
Then there’s the absurd case where a defendant was found to have not invoked his 5th amendment rights by saying “I want a lawyer dawg”. The court, with laughably straight faces, decided that he might have been asking for a dog lawyer.

Courts can be shockingly corrupt.

Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by jaytaylor on Friday October 22, 2021 @12:53PM (#28959576)
I was skeptical, but a quick web search verified that this 100% happened - recently even, in 2017.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/true-crime/wp/2017/11/02...

> The Louisiana Supreme Court ruled that the suspect was, in fact, asking for a “lawyer dog,” ..

That's bad, dawg.

Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by ChrisKnott on Friday October 22, 2021 @01:56PM (#28960370)
From reading the actual concurrence [0] I would say that, yes, it does appear from the way he quotes "lawyer dog" near the end, that the judge thought the suspect was making a flippant remark referring to a theoretical dog that is a lawyer, however, (as the quotes from the lawyers later in the WP article point out) it would seem the actual key point was that he prefaced his request for a lawyer with an 'if' clause, and the precedent is that the request must not be "ambiguous or equivocal".

The full quote - "This is how I feel, if y’all think I did it, I know that I didn’t do it so why don’t you just give me a lawyer, dawg, ’cause this is not what’s up." - can be argued to be equivocal. It's a common construction to express a hypothetical, e.g. "well if that's how you feel we should cancel the wedding" etc.

The precedent should really be the other way around. You should treat any reference to wanting a lawyer as legitimate unless unambiguously established to not be.

[0] https://www.lasc.org/opinions/2017/17KK0954.sjc.addconc.pdf

Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by jakelazaroff on Friday October 22, 2021 @02:23PM (#28960679)
In the WaPo article, it's the DA who is saying that the request could be interpreted as subjective, not the Supreme Court justice. The relevant line in the concurrence:

> In my view, the defendant’s ambiguous and equivocal reference to a “lawyer dog” does not constitute an invocation of counsel that warrants termination of the interview and does not violate Edwards v. Arizona, 451 U.S. 477, 101 S.Ct. 1880, 68 L.Ed.2d 378 (1981).

"Equivocal" probably refers to Demesme saying "if y'all think I did it", but nonetheless it's hard for me to read the concurrence as anything other than a bad faith interpretation of his request for counsel.

Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by ChrisKnott on Friday October 22, 2021 @02:46PM (#28960969)
Yeah, I wasn't trying to suggest that the quotes were from the judge, just that they imply the issue that was actually being argued over in the case.
Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by aksss on Friday October 22, 2021 @12:53PM (#28959580)
What case is that, and what court?
Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by Kranar on Friday October 22, 2021 @12:56PM (#28959614)
Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by markjenkinswpg on Friday October 22, 2021 @12:58PM (#28959646)
Tell me an appeals court was unimpressed, dawg.
Re:Police can’t demand you reveal your phone passcode then t... by ashtonkem on Friday October 22, 2021 @01:25PM (#28960008)
I have bad news, dawg. Louisiana Supreme Court declined to hear the case, effectively upholding it.