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Re:A denialism taxonomy: FLICC (fake experts, logical fallac... by AlbertCory on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @04:38PM (#28923450)
There was an interesting discussion over the weekend about tribal stupidity, prompted by an article by Dietrich Bonhoeffer. Mr. Doctorow perfectly embodies it:

All of his examples are about the other tribe. "My tribe is science-based! It's the other tribe that has the denialists!"

Actually, both tribes practice all of his behaviors.

Re:A denialism taxonomy: FLICC (fake experts, logical fallac... by justin_oaks on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @05:50PM (#28924229)
For any particular tribe you'll see members of that tribe use dishonest tactics to try to convince the other side.

I find this the most distasteful when science, logic, consensus, etc. is on a particular tribe's side. Member of the tribe don't need to use underhanded schemes to try to argue their side. They are actively undermining their tribe by using dishonesty to attempt to strengthen their position.

Re:A denialism taxonomy: FLICC (fake experts, logical fallac... by danaris on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @05:55PM (#28924279)
While it's certainly true that there are some people on the Internet who both agree with the overwhelming scientific consensus on global warming and make bad arguments,

a) that does not imply that the position those arguments defend is incorrect, and

b) for the science denialists, bad arguments are all they have.

Re:A denialism taxonomy: FLICC (fake experts, logical fallac... by AlbertCory on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @08:13PM (#28925336)
Let me rephrase that for you:

"My tribe is correct. It's the other one that's bad."

Re:A denialism taxonomy: FLICC (fake experts, logical fallac... by danaris on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @08:15PM (#28925349)
"Both sides are just being tribal, there's no real right answer" is one of the more common methods used to dismiss the very real differences between the two sides and attempt to prevent progress from being made.
Re:A denialism taxonomy: FLICC (fake experts, logical fallac... by AlbertCory on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @10:00PM (#28925969)
"progress" meaning "my tribe wins."
Re:A denialism taxonomy: FLICC (fake experts, logical fallac... by danaris on Wednesday October 20, 2021 @12:52PM (#28932971)
"Progress," meaning "the things the "tribe" that labels itself as "progressive" wants."

So, yeah, you're not being particularly clever by observing that.