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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by mlyle on Monday October 18, 2021 @04:38PM (#28911372)
What he's saying is this:

USB-PD on USB-C negotiates the highest voltage your device and charger will support.

You can buy a 30W USB-PD charger that supports a smaller subset of voltages than a 20W USB-PD one, and in practice will deliver less power to your device because the voltages both like don't line up well.

What actually is supported by each tends not to be specified/disclosed-- or if it is, it takes a lot of digging to figure it out.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by junon on Monday October 18, 2021 @04:59PM (#28911645)
Yes and power negotiation does not protect against improper voltage whatsoever. This wasn't my point, despite me addressing negotiation in another comment.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by mlyle on Monday October 18, 2021 @05:29PM (#28912013)
> Yes and power negotiation does not protect against improper voltage whatsoever.

Oh? Everyone else seems to think the mechanisms are sufficient for safety.

> This wasn't my point, despite me addressing negotiation in another comment.

I still don't understand your point, unless it's a failed effort at pedantry.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by junon on Monday October 18, 2021 @09:49PM (#28913998)
If I put 120 volts through to my MacBook directly over the cable it will invariably damage it. Voltage negotiation doesn't matter here.

Also the original comment was unclear; they've edited to clarify. But of course, I'm the bad guy on HN for not being able to read minds.

E: I realize my GP comment was also unclear. I should have said "excessive" voltage, not improper I suppose. "Improper" in my head meant outside the rated voltage for either end/the cable. I'm not the one being a pedant here.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by anamexis on Monday October 18, 2021 @10:13PM (#28914130)
Voltage negotiation matters, because that what keeps a charger from putting 120 volts into your MacBook.

Which is exactly what GP was saying in the very part that you quoted:

> chargers and cables are advertised with the wattage they support, but it's really the voltage and current that matters.

and what you agreed with in that very same comment:

> Also, it arguably does have everything to do with volts

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by danachow on Monday October 18, 2021 @06:00PM (#28912346)
What do you think USB power negotiation is for if not negotiating a mutually supported voltage? That’s pretty much why it exists.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by anamexis on Monday October 18, 2021 @05:29PM (#28912016)
USB-C power negotiation absolutely protects against improper voltage, assuming it is implemented correctly.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by can16358p on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @04:15AM (#28915946)
Out of curuosity: is there any instance where it isn't implemented correctly that actually damaged/fried some electronics? What I've seen is that in the worst case it doesn't charge or negotiates at a very low voltage and charges slowly.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by jsjohnst on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @06:57AM (#28916782)
Yes, I don’t have a search term handy, but there’s someone who maintains a website cataloging these.