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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by zarzavat on Monday October 18, 2021 @03:53PM (#28910708)
It's not that people are against the Touch Bar. People are for physical function keys.

If they had added the Touch Bar in addition to physical function keys then there would have been less resistance to it.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by djur on Monday October 18, 2021 @10:47PM (#28914338)
I am against the Touch Bar and would rather have a keyboard without function keys than a keyboard with a touch-sensitive area that I can easily brush with my hands while typing.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by krrrh on Monday October 18, 2021 @06:22PM (#28912559)
I’m against the touchbar, and haven’t used it at all for 5 years. It seems like it could be useful for casual users, but it offers almost nothing to pro users who already have keyboard shortcuts memorized.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by Eric_WVGG on Monday October 18, 2021 @10:07PM (#28914092)
It offers a lot to pro users who want to have more shortcuts than are practical to memorize.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by djur on Monday October 18, 2021 @10:50PM (#28914347)
I would rather have those shortcuts visible on the screen, where I am already looking, rather than having to peer down at the keyboard to find them. And I'd also rather use the methods I already have for issuing commands to my computer, the keyboard and pointing device, rather than using a third method for some random subset of commands.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by JCharante on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @12:57AM (#28915001)
than are practical to memorize? How many could you fit on the touchbar? 20?
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by Eric_WVGG on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @11:18AM (#28919036)
Around 60 I think. About six that were perpetually visible, then a dozen that were revealed via a "folder" that appeared when one of those was tapped. The remainder swapped out per-app (like, one set for Safari, another for XCode, etc.).
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by elcomet on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @02:51AM (#28915487)
So you never changed volume or luminosity ?
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by Closi on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @03:43AM (#28915773)
They could have easily changed volume on their display - I had the touchbar but never liked the fact that you had to look away from your screen just to change the volume.

Changing volume is definitely one of those use cases where the physical function keys were much better IMO - It's one physical button press rather than touch the button, look down at the slider, and try to drag it into the right position.

I also use my laptop in a dock about 50% of the time, so end up just using the on-screen volume adjustment and keyboard shortcuts anyway... If Apple really believed in the concept they would have put the touchbar into their keyboards too.

Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by merrywhether on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @09:56AM (#28918110)
They definitely could’ve made this more discoverable, but you can touch and immediately drag to change any of the sliders. No need to lift your finger or have a 2 step process
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by 8ytecoder on Monday October 18, 2021 @04:50PM (#28911537)
At that point I might prefer a touch screen that can be disabled. The extra real estate for touchbar with the minimal functionality didn’t make sense to me
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by tomtheelder on Monday October 18, 2021 @06:13PM (#28912490)
I also just cannot stop hitting it by accident. It's been a year and I'm still doing it constantly. I don't know what's wrong with me.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by mithr on Monday October 18, 2021 @08:31PM (#28913596)
You and everybody else :) I think its combination of placement and behavior/sensitivity contributed to its demise.
Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by Aperocky on Monday October 18, 2021 @06:42PM (#28912742)
Less? That's like 1.5 additional browser bars sitting there doing nothing. And we all know how much we hated additional browser bars (Remember the old times when we still had those? lolol).

As of now, it's 0.5 additional bars. The whole row after ESC is pretty much useless.