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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by moron4hire on Monday October 18, 2021 @02:07PM (#28908847)
I can think of a huge area in which it's lacking: GPU performance.
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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by jurmous on Monday October 18, 2021 @02:13PM (#28909016)
Did you check what they were saying about the M1 Max? It is comparable to the fastest GPU in a notebook they could find while using 100w less energy. We have to wait for the reviews next week what it actually means though.
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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by out_of_protocol on Monday October 18, 2021 @03:07PM (#28910066)
Also you can't compare GPUs _exactly_ since apple ignoring everything except their own Metal thing
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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by moron4hire on Monday October 18, 2021 @04:18PM (#28911103)
If you care about GPU performance, you don't care about 100W of power.
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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by Nevermark on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @05:57AM (#28916489)
If someone is buying a laptop they are typically going to care about what 100W savings means in a laptop: less heat and noise, longer battery life or less weight, longer component life, ...

Regardless of whether GPU speed is a top priority or not.

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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by masklinn on Monday October 18, 2021 @02:23PM (#28909232)
You can't really trust Apple's claims on GPU performances though, we'll have to see how that really pans out on actual benches.
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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by strangecyan on Monday October 18, 2021 @02:11PM (#28908957)
Apple were making direct comparisons to the GE76 Raider 11UH-053 which has a RTX 3080 in it, indicating that it had the same performance for 100W less power consumption. That seems pretty competitive to me!
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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by mywittyname on Monday October 18, 2021 @03:06PM (#28910045)
In what way is it competitive? Like, are there any big titles that I can fire up and have it perform like a desktop gaming PC?

Or is it merely competitive in specs or in applications like Illustrator?

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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by Gigachad on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @12:19AM (#28914833)
They do not market these as gaming devices. The GPU is intended for rendering content for pro use cases. It is competitive if this is your use case.
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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by moron4hire on Monday October 18, 2021 @04:14PM (#28911035)
Where are you seeing that? The only comparisons I've seen were labeled as being against Intel and AMD integrated graphics.
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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by ubercow13 on Monday October 18, 2021 @06:54PM (#28912849)
It’s in the presentation.
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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by moron4hire on Monday October 18, 2021 @07:10PM (#28912991)
Everything in the OP page that talks about GPU perf has a footnote on it that is comparing speeds to Intel Irix or Radeon Pro 5600 (which is about the same).
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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by ubercow13 on Monday October 18, 2021 @07:19PM (#28913077)
Yes it’s in the presentation. The video. Skip to the graphs. They have tiny footnotes giving the models they’re comparing to, the highest one is a mobile 3080.
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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by hraedon on Monday October 18, 2021 @02:13PM (#28908996)
Really? The M1 is a bit slower than a 1650, so 4x that performance gets you solidly into 3000 series range. There might be a handful of PC laptops that can outpace the M1 Max, but none in remotely comparable a package.
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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by moron4hire on Monday October 18, 2021 @04:30PM (#28911273)
There is no way a SoC is running in the same range as an NVideo 3000 series GPU.

The GPU performance of my M1 Mac Mini is roughly comparable to that of my Pixel 5 and Quest 2--both of which are running the Qualcomm Adreno 650 GPU.

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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by Toutouxc on Tuesday October 19, 2021 @04:57AM (#28916152)
> performance of my M1 Mac Mini is roughly comparable to ... the Qualcomm Adreno 650 GPU

I find it hard to believe and benchmarks [0][1] don't seem to support that.

[0] https://www.notebookcheck.net/Qualcomm-Adreno-650-GPU-Benchm...

[1] https://www.notebookcheck.net/Apple-M1-GPU-GPU-Benchmarks-an...

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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by Tsiklon on Monday October 18, 2021 @07:50PM (#28913312)
If (Big if) the provided graphs on apple's M1 Pro & M1 Max article are to be believed you're getting 90% the performance of a RTX 3080 Mobile (A 3070 with a clockspeed cut) but at a quarter of the power draw. This seems to be quite a development.
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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by moron4hire on Monday October 18, 2021 @08:24PM (#28913568)
For all the other claims on GPU performance, they call out that they are comparing to the integrated graphics, and they name the GPU specifically. With this one claim, they name a computer, but not the GPU. "Compared to a computer that has a laptop 3080 in it" is not the same thing as "compared to a 3080."

And they don't define "performance". Is it fill rate? Is it TFLOPs? Is it memory bandwidth? The M1 Max has 64 GPU cores. That sounds like a lot! It's not! The NVidia Laptop 3080 has 6,144 cores. That's NINETY SIX TIMES as many cores. I'm sorry, but supposedly achieving 90% of the "performance" of a GPU that has 2 orders of magnitude more cores is just not in the realm of believable. They are being intentionally evasive here.

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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by johncalvinyoung on Monday October 18, 2021 @10:01PM (#28914070)
Wouldn't the 3080's core count you mentioned be more comparable to the 'Execution Unit' quoted on Apple's slides: 4096 EUs on the 32-core variant?

https://images.anandtech.com/doci/17016/2021-10-18%2019_21_1...

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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by ArgyleSound on Monday October 18, 2021 @08:43PM (#28913665)
They very much put some numbers on performance in the keynote, you can go back and watch it.

The Max:

10.4 tflops

327 gtexels/sec

164 gpixels/sec

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Re:MacBook Pro 14-inch and MacBook Pro 16-inch by tcskeptic on Monday October 18, 2021 @08:50PM (#28913712)
What I see on desktop 3080 is:

465 Gtexels/s

164.2 Gpixels/s

if those numbers from Apple are real -- that's bonkers

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