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Re:Trust-Busting as the Unsexy Answer to Google and Facebook by SpicyLemonZest on Friday October 15, 2021 @12:01PM (#28879236)
Isn't the term just "too powerful"? It seems to me that the reason we don't have laws against companies being too powerful is that most people don't think it's a big deal for companies to be too powerful, as long as they're not monopolies.
Re:Trust-Busting as the Unsexy Answer to Google and Facebook by lotsofpulp on Friday October 15, 2021 @12:27PM (#28879586)
If people thought an entity was “too powerful”, then they would want a law against the entity, otherwise the word “too” does not mean anything.

The reason there is no law against being “too powerful” is because it is a nebulous description that is not enforceable in a fair manner.

Re:Trust-Busting as the Unsexy Answer to Google and Facebook by bumby on Friday October 15, 2021 @04:32PM (#28882826)
This isn't a new problem though. Anti-trust laws have been enforced previously without a strict definition.

"Although the courts "have not yet identified a precise level at which monopoly power will be inferred"[1]

[1]Section of Antitrust Law, Am. Bar Ass'n, Market Power Handbook 19­20 (2005).

Re:Trust-Busting as the Unsexy Answer to Google and Facebook by SpicyLemonZest on Friday October 15, 2021 @12:33PM (#28879666)
I kinda fundamentally reject the premise here. When I say that a sandwich is "too expensive", I don't mean that there ought to be a law against selling sandwiches for that price.
Re:Trust-Busting as the Unsexy Answer to Google and Facebook by lotsofpulp on Friday October 15, 2021 @12:53PM (#28879957)
The context is dealing with the problem of the existence of a too powerful company. Dealing with a too expensive sandwich requires no laws.
Re:Trust-Busting as the Unsexy Answer to Google and Facebook by Stupulous on Friday October 15, 2021 @02:45PM (#28881453)
If refusing to work with a company is impossible, it's a monopoly, right? Otherwise, you are free to respond to the too-powerful company the same way you respond to the too-expensive sandwich.

If a company is using its power to do something harmful, write laws against the harmful thing, irrespective of how much power the company has. Illegalizing shadow profiles of non-users would be a good step forward, illegalizing them only for FB-sized companies would be less good.

If a handful of companies are operating as a monopoly, that's already well-defined as an oligopoly.

I think the only other situation where a company can be too powerful is if they get too much power over the regulators. I expect it's rare to get there without becoming a monopoly or oligopoly, but it's probably not impossible.

Re:Trust-Busting as the Unsexy Answer to Google and Facebook by lotsofpulp on Friday October 15, 2021 @02:48PM (#28881503)
>If a company is using its power to do something harmful, write laws against the harmful thing, irrespective of how much power the company has.

I agree, hence my explanation of why there are no laws against "too powerful" companies. It is not an actionable condition.

Re:Trust-Busting as the Unsexy Answer to Google and Facebook by Nasrudith on Friday October 15, 2021 @12:09PM (#28879352)
Well yes but that term is too honest for its own good as a matter of opinion. "Too powerful" is an absolutely arbitrary standard with no desire for internal consistency. Which is exactly the opposite of what you want in laws.
Re:Trust-Busting as the Unsexy Answer to Google and Facebook by SpicyLemonZest on Friday October 15, 2021 @12:31PM (#28879645)
I agree with what you're saying, but that's exactly the problem. I don't think the author of the source article has a clear, internally consistent standard, and I don't think any consistent standard exists that would tell you Google and Facebook need to be broken up but CVS and Costco don't.