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Re:We Are Beast Machines by daseiner1 on Friday October 15, 2021 @07:31AM (#28876639)
But the question is when and from where does “experiencing things” (qualia) arise. When does calculation become sensation?
Re:We Are Beast Machines by joeberon on Friday October 15, 2021 @07:34AM (#28876654)
Those same people might say that it is just the experience of "being the computer" rather than seeing it from afar. But I don't know, because personally it isn't an argument I find convincing.

As an aside, I think you have to be a bit arrogant or closed minded to assert that they actually can see the problem. I really don't think my wife is lying or being nefarious when she says she doesn't see a problem. I trust her and others when they say they don't see a problem.

Re:We Are Beast Machines by GonzaloRizzo on Friday October 15, 2021 @01:09PM (#28880152)
So if there's such a thing as "being the computer" could we say that a computer experiences qualia and it is somewhat conscious?
Re:We Are Beast Machines by joeberon on Saturday October 16, 2021 @04:20AM (#28886358)
Yes, people who believe that consciousness is an emergent property of sufficiently complicated systems would say that a sufficiently complicated computer experiences qualia and is conscious.
Re:We Are Beast Machines by GlennS on Friday October 15, 2021 @08:31AM (#28877014)
Obviously: in the insect that wriggles its legs in pain.

Earlier, in the cell that avoids the chemical.