Spinoza’s God: Einstein believed in it, but what was it?

Re:Spinoza’s God: Einstein believed in it, but what was it? by omarfarooq on Friday October 15, 2021 @01:16AM (#28874561)

In terms of the Islamic tradition, Allah [lit. The God] is both transcendent and immanent.

Quran 50:16 states that Allah is closer to man than his jugular vein and Quran 2:115 states that wherever you turn, there is the Face of Allah.

Now to answer why He cares, the Quran states that He specifically created mankind to know Him.

And indeed, the recurring injunction in the Quran is to remember Allah, because you already know Him—Quran 7:172 states that we testified to His Lordship in a pre-birth state.

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Re:Spinoza’s God: Einstein believed in it, but what was it? by kmmlng on Friday October 15, 2021 @03:36AM (#28875341)

Interestingly this sounds like the new agey saying "We are the universe experiencing itself".

> Quran 2:115 states that wherever you turn, there is the Face of Allah.

So Allah is everything or at least he is IN everything. The universe is everything.

> the Quran states that He specifically created mankind to know Him.

Mankind experiences Allah, the universe.

Would you agree with this kind of mapping or am I making any unjustified leaps here?

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Re:Spinoza’s God: Einstein believed in it, but what was it? by omarfarooq on Friday October 15, 2021 @04:01AM (#28875471)

I would not agree with that because it's pantheism.

One meaning for His Face being everywhere is that everything is turned towards Him whether they know it or not, since He is the giver of being. It does not mean a literal encapsulation or identification of the Infinite with the finite.

Rather, closer to your sentiment from an Islamic theological perspective is to say that what we experience in the universe is an interplay of His attributes since He is the causer.

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Re:Spinoza’s God: Einstein believed in it, but what was it? by diskzero on Friday October 15, 2021 @01:25AM (#28874604)

This is a tangent, but I don't have many opportunities to speak to people knowledgeable of Islam. Is there a concept of original sin in Islam? Do we need to seek forgiveness or salvation?

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Re:Spinoza’s God: Einstein believed in it, but what was it? by omarfarooq on Friday October 15, 2021 @01:33AM (#28874644)

Islam does not have a concept of original sin attached to the descending of mankind to earth. Adam and his wife disobeying the command to eat from the forbidden tree is described as a "slip" in the Quran, not a monstrosity of a rebellion as seen in Christianity. Indeed, the Quran also says that before even creating Adam, Allah announced [to the angels] the purpose of Adam and his offspring is to be put on the earth as a vicegerent (Quran 2:30).

I define salvation as: 'being preserved in Heaven', and in Islam this is sought through forgiveness.

Quran 39:53 Say, “O servants of Mine who have transgressed against their own selves, do not despair of Allah’s Mercy. Surely, Allah will forgive all sins. Surely, He is the One who is the Most Forgiving, the Ever Merciful."

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Re:Spinoza’s God: Einstein believed in it, but what was it? by diskzero on Friday October 15, 2021 @01:46AM (#28874714)

Thanks for the information and the pointers to the text in the Quran. Time to do some reading!

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Re:Spinoza’s God: Einstein believed in it, but what was it? by nxmnxm99 on Friday October 15, 2021 @11:00AM (#28878422)

Nope. The Islamic approach is to optimize to our maxima. Essentially our core purpose is to strive to "find/discover/understand" God through manifesting different values (the 99 names of Allah). The various prophets (Jesus) are those among us who came closest so that understanding and manifestation.

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