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Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by jiggawatts on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:04PM (#28871406)
What the... s%&#?

Half a million a year for a developer or architect is bonkers.

That's the equivalent of AUD 800K a year. That's more than what the Prime Minister and a cabinet member put together make here!

How can that possibly make sense? For that kind of money you can easily hire 4 senior developers here! Any company "hiring local" at those prices isn't exploring their international staffing options properly...

Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by sharpy on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:35PM (#28871704)
Yes, US tech salaries are rather crazy.

But at the scale they operate at, it is also relatively easy to justify such salaries. For example, just last month, I saved the company more than a million a year of cloud costs by doing 1 week of cost optimizations for just one of our services. I will create many times that in new revenues/cost savings in the remaining 2 months of the year.

My total comp for year? Barely over half a million. So I'd say they are getting a good value.

Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by jiggawatts on Thursday October 14, 2021 @09:26PM (#28872790)
To be blunt: so what?

I just saved $500K per annum for a customer, after working on the most critical part of a merger between two 10K-user organisations, and I get less then half that.

It's not like it's impossible to get someone that knows how to optimise infrastructure or do complex projects for less than a decent chunk of a million dollars a year! Like other people have commented, they're often making just tens of thousands in Europe, despite having comparable education, experience, and English language skills...

Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by Infinitesimus on Thursday October 14, 2021 @09:34PM (#28872879)
There are also people who do the thing you do who likely make much more. Just as there are folks who did what GP did and make much less.

If $$ is what you optimize for, you can probably find the top 1% of compensation for businesses in your field and work there. For a lot of office workers, there are firms that value their skills and firms that do not. Remember that the comp numbers for Bay Area tech salaries are legit the top 1% globally or some very small percentage.

Consider the difference between an comp "analyst" at a local bank and an "analyst" at an extremely profitable hedge fund.

It's just money in the end and if you make enough to be happy, then the rest doesn't matter. If you want to compete for the top < 10% of compensation locally/globally in your field, then things have to change and it comes at some cost.

Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by da39a3ee on Friday October 15, 2021 @12:16AM (#28874215)
It sort of sounds like you're resentful of the american engineer making $500k that you're replying to. But maybe the resent should be directed towards the executives and finance people in europe who make huge salaries just because that's the tradition.
Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by rapind on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:32PM (#28871669)
Yeah except the PM and cabinet minister's will pull in 20x later on some board or w/ lobbyists they've been friendly with. That's their stock I suppose.
Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by adventured on Thursday October 14, 2021 @09:21PM (#28872728)
> How can that possibly make sense?

Well, here is the operating profit for the US tech giants:

Apple $100 billion | Microsoft $70b | Google $62.6b | Facebook $44.5b | Amazon $29.6b | Intel $22.7b | Oracle $15.7b | Cisco $13.7b | Qualcomm $10.3b | IBM $8b | Texas Instruments $7.7b | Broadcom $7.6b | Nvidia $7.3b | Micron $6.7b | Applied Materials $6.4b | Netflix $6b | Dell $6b | Adobe $5.5b

SAP is one of the primary tech giants in Europe. Their operating profit is $6.2b by comparison (they fit in Microsoft's pocket these days).

Now on top of that, throw in the US banks which are generating enormous profit compared to their European peers, and they also hire tech talent. Throw in Visa, Mastercard, American Express, Square, PayPal, Stripe, etc. Then throw in the US defense contractors. The large pharma & biotech companies. Insurance companies. Huge retailers like Walmart, Costco, Home Depot, Target, Lowes, Walgreens, CVS, etc. Big real-estate companies. Various large conglomerates and manufacturing firms. All of these companies - which generate outsized profits as well - have to compete for tech talent too. The point being, all that demand drains availability and pushes up the salaries that tech talent can command (including outside the bay area).

Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by steve_adams_86 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:09PM (#28871453)
Facebook seems to be aggressively searching for remote workers outside of the US if my inbox is any indication. I imagine others in the US are too.
Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by ceras on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:44PM (#28871808)
Facebook is also aggressively expanding in expensive markets like NYC. So it looks like they aren't all-in on arbitrage.

Google too: they just bought a large new building in NYC, yet they're also growing a lot in markets where they pay much less (e.g. India).

Very curious how this will play out over time.

Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by VRay on Friday October 15, 2021 @02:24AM (#28874920)
They definitely ARE all-in on arbitrage. The FAANG megacorps are all pulling in upwards of $2M in revenue per year per coder on average. So what if some of them cost $600k/year?
Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by cosmodisk on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:19PM (#28871532)
How does that work with the recent 'they need to return to the office' + anyone remotely working for Facebook outside the US will never make hundreds of thousands as a developer.
Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by loeg on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:32PM (#28871665)
Facebook announced they would allow all employees to work remotely a few months ago. Pay is location-adjusted.
Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by cosmodisk on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:34PM (#28871693)
That's exactly my point: a dev working for Facebook in Hungary will probably make decent money but it will still be a fraction of what he could be making in the US..
Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by loeg on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:48PM (#28871852)
I was mostly responding to:

> the recent 'they need to return to the office'

Which is counterfactual, unless I totally misunderstood the statement.

Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by steve_adams_86 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @08:21PM (#28872167)
> Pay is location-adjusted

This is why I'm not responding. I have a feeling their Canadian offers won't look anything like the article suggests.

Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by loeg on Thursday October 14, 2021 @08:49PM (#28872425)
The rough estimates I’ve seen are: $100k USD in MPK becomes about 85k CAD. But also I think they just don’t fill as senior roles in Canada so the upper limit is lower. If you want to make more money, I think it’s worth a shot -- if the offer is bad, you don’t have to take it.
Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by quickthrower2 on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:27PM (#28871602)
Money talks, bullshit walks as they say
Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by Thrymr on Thursday October 14, 2021 @09:19PM (#28872714)
> That's the equivalent of AUD 800K a year. That's more than what the Prime Minister and a cabinet member put together make here!

It is also about what the US President ($400k) and a cabinet secretary ($196.7k) put together make in the US. But far, far, less than the CEO of any public company.

Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by lotsofpulp on Thursday October 14, 2021 @11:02PM (#28873683)
The US president’s compensation is far more than $400k per year including all the post employment benefits. Just the $200k+ per year annuity (inflation adjusted to boot) for the rest of their life is worth millions if they live more than ~6 years, and it only takes 4 years to earn it. Due to his young age, Obama easily got a few extra millions per year just in the value of the annuity.

https://www.thoughtco.com/presidential-retirement-benefits-3...

Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by kyawzazaw on Thursday October 14, 2021 @09:48PM (#28873031)
If you are an Australian, you can easily come to the US as a software engineer.
Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by myth_drannon on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:38PM (#28871744)
Check the discussions on Blind. Total compensation discussions are completely bonkers and I believe they are true based on some interviews I had for remote roles in US.
Re:Tech compensation in 2021 by nickthemagicman on Thursday October 14, 2021 @08:24PM (#28872206)
Because they have thousands of applicants for every position and basically infinite amounts of money, so they hire only the best.