Re:Child suicides in Japan hit record high
by nverno on Thursday October 14, 2021 @11:40AM
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Suicide was also an honorable way to go out in the Roman empire, but I'm not sure it's a societal norm in Italy nowadays. Definitely in the ether though, I think suicide after disgrace is something everyone can relate to.
Re:Child suicides in Japan hit record high
by coldtea on Thursday October 14, 2021 @06:05PM
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>Suicide was also an honorable way to go out in the Roman empire, but I'm not sure it's a societal norm in Italy nowadays.
Maybe not so nowadays, but you'd be surprised how often it was a solution to societal shame in Italy up to the 1950s or so...
Re:Child suicides in Japan hit record high
by NineStarPoint on Thursday October 14, 2021 @02:53PM
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The ether of American "death by duel" is part of the more general protestant idea that suicide is an act against god, but there's no rule against finding someone/something to kill yourself with. Drink yourself to death, get yourself killed by a cop, join the army and find a place to sacrifice yourself: all are related to why duels to the death were part of our culture. To what extent that ether still effects the way we act I couldn't say, but it's definitely still around.
Yes, I would. Such societal norms don't just die, they remain in the "ether" so to speak.
For example, americans might not be as religious, or sticking with the church. They might not even be born in the US, or just be first or second generation. But the culture, and this includes immigrants as they integrate, contains all kinds of protestant ideas.
And it's easier for something like a suicide norm to survice that a practice of the duel (which takes two to survice, plus has the law against it, even if you come out alive).