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Re:Obsidian mirror used by Elizabeth I’s court astrologer ha... by AnimalMuppet on Thursday October 14, 2021 @12:04AM (#28860397)
Add Isaiah 8:19-22 to the mix. It pretty clearly condemns consulting spiritists and mediums. (Depending on your definition of the English word "sorcery", that may count.)
Re:Obsidian mirror used by Elizabeth I’s court astrologer ha... by krapp on Thursday October 14, 2021 @05:54AM (#28862223)
And then there's Saul visiting the witch of Endor, who summons a spirit for him (which she does,) and it wasn't treated as an evil act at all.

And there's a lot of magic in the apocrypha (which, despite having been removed from canon, does reflect the diversity in Christian belief at the time) such as the angel who teaches astrology and spells to drive away demons in the Book of Tobit, or Solomon using a magic ring to control demons in the Testament of Solomon, or the wizard battle in the Acts of Peter.

Re:Obsidian mirror used by Elizabeth I’s court astrologer ha... by dane-pgp on Thursday October 14, 2021 @02:05PM (#28867754)
> the angel who teaches astrology and spells to drive away demons in the Book of Tobit

I think we need to be careful in how we are using words like "astrology" and "spells", since it is easy to group many ideas under those umbrellas in a way that people living long ago wouldn't have.

For a start, I don't see any mention in Tobit chapter 6 of astrology[0], and the technique given for driving away a particular demon is "thou shalt take the ashes of perfume, and shalt lay upon them some of the heart and liver of the fish, and shalt make a smoke with it: And the devil shall smell it, and flee away, and never come again any more" followed by "and pray to God".

We wouldn't say that someone is casting a spell if they used cayenne pepper to keep cats away from their garden, and early readers of Tobit wouldn't have considered fish organs to be an unholy or forbidden substance. For a process to deserve the designation of a "spell", it would have to involve either a means or an ends that was forbidden by God.

[0] https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Tobit-Chapter-6/

Re:Obsidian mirror used by Elizabeth I’s court astrologer ha... by AnimalMuppet on Thursday October 14, 2021 @11:58AM (#28866073)
I don't read it that way at all. I read the witch of Endor as the final step in Saul's failure.

I also read it as the witch being surprised when the spirit actually shows up...