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Re:Apple silently fixes iOS zero-day, asks bug reporter to k... by vlovich123 on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @10:39PM (#28859956)
I would assume that trying to get a bounty means accepting that you're not selling the vulnerability elsewhere. No maybe the shadiness inherent in the field means no one trusts that agreement anyway, but I suspect there's generally some amount of trust for researchers submitting vulnerabilities, particularly if they have some kind of history of good faith.

Also, I'm not sure that saying "we have discovered a deeper problem that here beyond what you reported" really delivers much information beyond perhaps telling the researcher to keep investigating (although if they're already getting the bounty, the additional investigation wouldn't really be useful).

Re:Apple silently fixes iOS zero-day, asks bug reporter to k... by JumpCrisscross on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @10:44PM (#28859984)
> would assume that trying to get a bounty means accepting that you're not selling the vulnerability elsewhere

Having an e-mail from the company confirming the bug is serious and systemic massively raises its market value. Security is necessarily trust less. These game dynamics are unavoidable.

Re:Apple silently fixes iOS zero-day, asks bug reporter to k... by tptacek on Thursday October 14, 2021 @01:13AM (#28860733)
Having an email from the company confirming that they know about the bug probably erases its market value.
Re:Apple silently fixes iOS zero-day, asks bug reporter to k... by cutemonster on Thursday October 14, 2021 @07:00AM (#28862709)
Unless it's harder to fix, and easy to short term exploit?
Re:Apple silently fixes iOS zero-day, asks bug reporter to k... by tptacek on Thursday October 14, 2021 @01:11AM (#28860726)
None of us are thinking of any of this before the brokers already have; this work has been going on for many, many years. You can resell vulnerabilities, but the contract terms you get from brokers are tranched, and they stop paying when the vulnerability is burned. Your incentive not to spread your bug around is that you you're cutting your nose off to spite your face, not to mention that you're probably making the terms you'll get for future bugs worse.
Re:Apple silently fixes iOS zero-day, asks bug reporter to k... by jsjohnst on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @11:07PM (#28860106)
> I would assume that trying to get a bounty means accepting that you're not selling the vulnerability elsewhere.

That is a very mistaken assumption. Even NDAs backed by threats from nation state intelligence agencies aren’t sufficient to keep exploits from being resold multiple times.

Re:Apple silently fixes iOS zero-day, asks bug reporter to k... by cutemonster on Thursday October 14, 2021 @02:46PM (#28868282)
Also, the ones who sell two or more times, can just claim that the other buyer actually discovered the exploit themselves?

Or maybe that someone in the first buyer's organization resold it?