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Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by mistrial9 on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @02:55PM (#28855937)
> very outdated information

no rush on that -- we have another 21,000 years of half-life to talk about it, right?

Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by imtringued on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @02:57PM (#28855969)
Outdated information is quite relevant for nuclear power plants. Fukushima was older than Chernobyl.

Every time someone tells me how safe modern power plants are I think "great, now get rid of all the old ones".

Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by anshumankmr on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @03:06PM (#28856079)
Wouldn't that be better than the gigatonnes of CO2 we keep emitting into the atmosphere?
Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by outworlder on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @03:13PM (#28856188)
Plus radiation. People seem to forget that coal plants actually spew radioactive material in the atmosphere.
Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by mistrial9 on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @05:11PM (#28857788)
there are lots of ways to emit less CO2 right now without any nukes pro or con.. yet, stall...
Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by outworlder on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @03:04PM (#28856053)
Getting rid of the old ones is quite difficult to do due to all the misinformation and public perception. A lot of that shaped by outdated information.

So instead of building new, safer power plants that will actually help us fight climate change, many places are still running old power plants as they can't afford to shut them down. There are still RMBK (Chernobyl-like) plants running today!

Mind you, Fukushima was not the only power plant that was subject to an earthquake and a tsunami. All others safely shutdown. Actually Fukushima shutdown too - and would have survived if not by the tsunami and some braindead decisions. Fukushima is like a Ford Model T that's thrown into a highway accident. It should have been replaced way before the accident.

Germany should be leading the effort here. Maybe they could take a page from France.

Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by themaninthedark on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @03:52PM (#28856771)
Great, nuclear advocates agree! Let's build more, new nuclear plants so the old ones can be retired.
Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by petre on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @02:59PM (#28855995)
> great, now get rid of all the old ones

And burn some more coal in the meantime.

Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by Turing_Machine on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @03:35PM (#28856515)
Longer half-life = less radioactive. By definition.

A half-life of infinity would mean that the isotope is not radioactive at all.

Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by freemint on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @06:55PM (#28858598)
Only if dosage is not infinite either.
Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by mistrial9 on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @05:10PM (#28857775)
a pinhead emits less light than the sun, too
Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by Turing_Machine on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @08:14PM (#28859110)
I'm not really sure what you're driving at here.

While there are certainly other nuances involved such as what kind of radiation is emitted (alpha, beta, gamma, neutron), and what the immediate fission products are, if all other factors are equal, the longer the half life, the less radioactive the material is. That's literally the definition.

The really nasty isotopes are ones like Iodine-131 (half-life 8 days, has an affinity for the human thyroid gland) and Strontium-90 (half-life 28.79 years, has an affinity for human bones). While saying that something has a "half-life of forty million billion trillion years" may sound scary-impressive, what it actually means is "this stuff is only very mildly radioactive).

Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by mistrial9 on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @08:41PM (#28859281)
your half-life example is technically correct, yet by making a fanciful example of "forty million billion trillion" rhetorically, it makes the statement of harm sound like "oh, 21,000 years of half-life is not at all harmful" .. I think you are aware that spent nuclear fuel is poisonous by any definition.

Second, the amount of material is not at all mentioned in your definition. One half of one gram of material, is not the same as the many kilograms of spent fuels from a working reactor, or the 2000 metric tons of spent fuel generated now in the USA each year. So I ridicule that in an unexpected way, with another extreme example, comparing something tiny, to something massively large that everyone knows.

There is some false confidence in my opinion, about "know the facts" of radiactive materials.. when bio-accumulation in the food chain, uncontained dispersion, poisoning fresh or salt waters where life exists, and human exposure over time, and repeated exposure, are serious things.

Re:Intellectuals urge Germany to keep nuclear plants online by Turing_Machine on Saturday October 16, 2021 @12:13AM (#28885493)
No.

When someone says "(a substance) has a (very large) half-life" it is typically an attempt to make the substance sound more dangerous, when in general a longer half-life makes the material less dangerous, not more.