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Re:Group effort to study the mathematical sciences for “savi... by agumonkey on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @04:54PM (#28844940)
What about engineering social attractors so that people just move away from their habits and start doing things differently ? availability, social mirroring can be leveraged to migrate people from one lifestyle to another, without relying on policies.

After all marketing is all about making the masses move a certain way..

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Re:Group effort to study the mathematical sciences for “savi... by psiconaut on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @05:15PM (#28845178)
Sounds good. Sadly, there's this thing called "hyper-stimulus" - someone mentioned recently "Infinite Jest" and the desire to watch a particular video over and over again. I do think the fear of this thought played a deep role in DFW's desperation.

All this to say: some social attractors are way more attractive than others (that's why they are "dark" patterns). Only physical constrains will do the trick, I'm afraid.

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Re:Group effort to study the mathematical sciences for “savi... by agumonkey on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @05:25PM (#28845267)
The idea is that society is most assured to go into a wall, so constraints are about to pop up more and more, so starting to place items / buffers here and there, ready to receive newly "convinced" people could prove beneficial.

People are followers, I firmly believe that the minute another model of society pops up, population will flip "overnight".

Also about your stimulus issue.. I also firmly believe that non modern life creates a stronger deeper and stabler set of stimuli. We just forgot.

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Re:Group effort to study the mathematical sciences for “savi... by mistermann on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @05:12PM (#28845154)
That sounds like an excellent start to me, what other techniques might be out there though? If we never look (as advertisers have done with marketing products in order to accomplish their goal: make people buy their products), we may never know.
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