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Re:Nuclear Power in France by culi on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @02:03PM (#28842961)
The obsession with solar panels is currently driving a major ecological catastrophe. Solar panels are known to leak lead in the environment. We also have no good way to recycle them once the cells are done for good (currently, the average lifespan of a panel is about 20 years). There is already a massive buildup of solar waste full of extremely toxic components and we're not even close to seeing the worst of it considering most solar panels today were installed in the past 2 decades.

In addition to that, the amount of space it would take to have the equivalent amount of power that a modern nuclear plant would provide is a massive ecological disaster in and of itself.

And I haven't even begun to talk about batteries...

Solar is not the solution. To be honest nuclear isn't either. Coal is obviously terrible and wind is unreliable. The real solution that no one dares to talk about is degrowth. George Bush articulated it himself when he said, "“The American way of life is not up for negotiations." And to this day we would never dare to bring up the idea that we actually just need to USE LESS.

Re:Nuclear Power in France by Ericson2314 on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @02:16PM (#28843118)
I was with you until degrowth, kind of.

But we could 1000x the number of nukes and not run into the power generation or waste problems. Now, with that much energy we would have far more of a growth problem far worse than today, but that's not really nuclear's "fault", that's more a downstream issue.

I have a secret suspicion renewables are popular precisely because they have scaling issues. For the certain easy-to-dunk-on degrwoth fan who has more guilt than clear thinking, the idea of renewables as a sort of self-flagellation austerity is attractive.

The problem is our society (or "Captialism"), even, pushes for growth because a feeling for austerity. Only with the feeling of abundance do we step off the gas. Things like UBI and nuclear, which they fear will lead to a spending spree and rampant new consumerism, should instead turn off the real and metaphorical cortisol that leads to these things in the first place.

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The best stuff I've read about degrowth is from Nathan Tankus, who's got the necessity for needle-threading down, along with the skills to actually do the threading. I will try to find something that is not a tweat.

Re:Nuclear Power in France by robocat on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @02:39PM (#28843394)
> Solar panels are known to leak lead in the environment.

I suspect you are grasping for excuses. Do modern panels have significant lead in them? Also there is a huge abundance of lead in our city environment already (paints, leaded petrol). Even if there is lead in panels, it is concentrated, and I suspect the total amounts in panels would be at least three orders of magnitude less than that. Back when we used alkyllead additives in petrol, it was about 0.5g lead per litre[1], which would be an astonishing amount of lead put into our direct environment.

And those used panels will still have value to people (eg third world) and will get reused, giving excess value to poor countries.

[1] https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=%22grams+lead+per+gallon%2...

Re:Nuclear Power in France by XiJinpinggg on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @04:20PM (#28844579)
Degrowth = recession = Less funds to invest in renewables.