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Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by 6nf on Monday October 11, 2021 @09:25PM (#28834995)
Florida population is 21 million, Australia is 26 million. AUD 300 billion to save 70,000 lives, that's 4 million dollars per life saved.

The median covid death is 85 years old. We spent 4 million dollars to save one 85 year old person for a few more years.

Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by javagram on Monday October 11, 2021 @09:39PM (#28835090)
The median covid death is 85 years old? Where did you get that number? https://www.statista.com/statistics/1191568/reported-deaths-...

Using the US dataset as an example of mortality when covid-19 is allowed to spread unrestricted in a population, 700,952 died. Only 193k were 85 and older, so the median covid death must be younger than that - in the lower end of the 74-85 age cohort where another 185k have died.

Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by 6nf on Monday October 11, 2021 @09:41PM (#28835107)
I'm using the australian numbers

So you found one number in my argument that you dont like and that invalidates my entire point? Is that what you're saying? What number would you prefer instead of the 85? Does that change everything?

Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by javagram on Monday October 11, 2021 @09:42PM (#28835113)
Why use the Australian numbers to argue that AU should have taken the USA’s approach of unrestricted covid spreading?

Australia’s numbers won’t match what happens when covid-19 spreads widely, because they successfully stopped it.

Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by javagram on Monday October 11, 2021 @11:48PM (#28835845)
Just realized (I think) you edited in the later sentences after I replied.

Yea, it does invalidate your point, the average years of life lost from a Covid-19 death is fourteen not a few as you suggested. Many, many people lost more than a decade of productive, happy life to this virus in countries where it was allowed to spread. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/06/16/americans-l...

Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by 6nf on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @12:26AM (#28836050)
So we're spending $20m on 14 years of life.
Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by selcuka on Monday October 11, 2021 @11:55PM (#28835874)
The whole calculation is wrong, but even if it was correct, I would still be amazed by the fact that you think $4m is too much to get one person live for a few more years.
Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by 6nf on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @12:29AM (#28836068)
This is only one year, we're gonna keep spending money on the covid response as long as there's lockdowns. We do not have unlimited money and there's better ways to increase lifespan for less than $4M per person per year
Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by shadilay on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @09:07AM (#28839165)
Length of life is such a horrible metric. What about quality of life?
Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by paranoidrobot on Monday October 11, 2021 @09:37PM (#28835081)
> AUD 300 billion to save 70,000 lives

You keep quoting 300 billion, where are you getting that from?

Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by 6nf on Monday October 11, 2021 @09:40PM (#28835099)
https://budget.gov.au/2021-22/content/covid.htm Please explain how am I using this number incorrectly? What is the correct number I should be using instead?
Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by paranoidrobot on Monday October 11, 2021 @09:46PM (#28835144)
You're using that number incorrectly.

It's like that classic Pirates vs Global Average Temperature chart[1]

[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikaandersen/2012/03/23/true-f...

Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by paranoidrobot on Monday October 11, 2021 @11:00PM (#28835602)
It makes about as much sense to say that we spent $300B to save 70,000 people as it does to say that the US has spent trillions to kill 714,000.

One is not the cause of the other, in either direction.

Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by 6nf on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @12:27AM (#28836053)
The US does not go to war just to kill people. Australia's covid response is purely for saving lives.
Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by paranoidrobot on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @12:53AM (#28836209)
I said nothing about war, I'm talking about the COVID response in both cases.

The US Federal Government has spent trillions on COVID related bills. Over $5.3 trillion if this[1] is to be believed.

USD$5.3 trillion / US Population = $16k/person (approx)

AUD$291 billion / AU Population = AUD$11400/person (~USD$8,300 approx)

On the face of it, we spent a whole lot less, and have had at least as good, if not a better economic outcome.

[1] https://www.pgpf.org/blog/2021/03/heres-everything-congress-...

Re:Australians ‘complacent’ to rapid growth in digital surve... by selimthegrim on Monday October 11, 2021 @09:47PM (#28835152)
Do Florida and Victoria have similar age structure? Immigration patterns?