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Re:The Shadow Penal System for Struggling Kids by TeMPOraL on Monday October 11, 2021 @12:29PM (#28830082)
Holy hell. I'm speechless. Not even by the article - I'm yet to read it - just by this discussion thread. The links posted here by various commenters - the CAAIR labor camps, Elan school, hundreds of children dumped in hidden, unmarked graves - I've seen most of those stories at one point or another, but to be reminded of all of them together here...

I don't know what to say. How do things like these happen - and keep happening - in otherwise civilized, enlightened countries?

Re:The Shadow Penal System for Struggling Kids by NoGravitas on Monday October 11, 2021 @01:08PM (#28830520)
I can't speak for other countries, but for the US, none of these are aberrations. They're the way we've always done things, and no one with access to the levers of power is really all that interested in changing things. A lot of these stories just boil down to people with power being able to use people without in any way they please: use them as unpaid labor, or just dump them in an unmarked grave if they're no use to you. We call that "freedom", because for the people with the power, it is. And to have an impact on the public discourse, you basically have to accept that as the way things should be, plus or minus a little tinkering around the edges.
Re:The Shadow Penal System for Struggling Kids by SOMA_BOFH on Monday October 11, 2021 @12:46PM (#28830266)
sometimes powerful people in positions of authority are evil. it is heartbreaking.
Re:The Shadow Penal System for Struggling Kids by pc86 on Monday October 11, 2021 @01:01PM (#28830437)
I feel like this is such a cop-out response. It lets you dismiss this people's actions because "they're evil" (whatever that means) and disregard any of the larger systemic, sociological root causes that allow things like this to happen in the first place.
Re:The Shadow Penal System for Struggling Kids by throwaway0a5e on Monday October 11, 2021 @02:45PM (#28831500)
That's the point. It gives you a flimsy justification for leaving the systems and structures intact so "your guy" can use them in ways you agree with at some later date.
Re:The Shadow Penal System for Struggling Kids by SOMA_BOFH on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @12:36PM (#28841759)
i didn't dismiss or justify anything. my comment was a simple observation of fact. calm down you two.
Re:The Shadow Penal System for Struggling Kids by pc86 on Tuesday October 12, 2021 @02:21PM (#28843181)
You are welcome to try to explain how it's not a cop-out, or refute any of my points.