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Re:The Plague of the Poor by protomyth on Sunday October 10, 2021 @09:30AM (#28818269)
There is always a risk with vaccination as with any medication. It's small, but why take it? Taking a vaccine to make other people feel better is emotional and not scientific. There is no debate, there are blood tests. The same logic has been applied to measles.
Re:The Plague of the Poor by bayesian_horse on Sunday October 10, 2021 @03:46PM (#28821364)
You'd find that judging an individual's immunity by a vague notion of prior infection with Covid-19 is probably riskier than the vaccine.

Comirnaty had hundreds of millions of doses administered so far, and maybe - maybe - one woman died of myocarditis. This is nothing to potentially hundreds of thousands of prevented fatalities, much less the unpleasant to severe bouts of Covid-19.

Re:The Plague of the Poor by labawi on Sunday October 10, 2021 @05:26PM (#28822140)
How about judging by blood reactivity to virus protein in an ELISA test? [1]

Why is it riskier and to whom?

[1] https://www.fda.gov/media/141777/download

Re:The Plague of the Poor by bayesian_horse on Sunday October 10, 2021 @06:35PM (#28822601)
This kind of testing isn't exactly cheap and it is hard to standardize because of all the variables and the fickleness of the process. The one you link is specific to one particular laboratory. These tests also tend to fail a few weeks or months after the infection.

Nor does it actually prove any immunity against disease. You can only assume that these antibodies probe prior contact to the virus and that this prior contact resulted in a robust response. The strength of the immunity cannot be inferred from such titres...

Re:The Plague of the Poor by labawi on Sunday October 10, 2021 @07:29PM (#28822906)
It's expensive, so noone should have the option even if they pay for it? (friend paid about 20€)

It can have false negatives, making people needlessly take a vaccine, so everyone should take the vaccine in the name of equality?

Vaccine certificates neither prove you actually got the vaccine (though highly likely), nor do they prove any immunity against disease (though fairly likely).

With this level of arguments, I can argue noone should be permitted to take the vaccine.

Re:The Plague of the Poor by bayesian_horse on Monday October 11, 2021 @09:52AM (#28828301)
There have been rigorous studies that correlate the specific vaccine with the specific desired outcome of immunity.

You probably can't understand (and don't want to) why that is not the case for people who got infected at some unknown random point in the past and with an unknown, random variant of the Virus. And I don't care to explain it to you.

And you probably also don't want to understand why those lab tests aren't designed, regulated or approved as a proof of immunity. To be rigorous enough, probably every single lab would have to do control studies to find out if their tests predict immunity against reinfection.

Re:The Plague of the Poor by labawi on Wednesday October 13, 2021 @11:41AM (#28853605)
I hope you expect every single vaccine production lab to do control studies on vaccine effectiveness.

Otherwise you're just arguing with double standards trying to console insecurity.

Re:The Plague of the Poor by sokoloff on Sunday October 10, 2021 @11:34AM (#28819185)
Well, there’s a risk with the blood draw as well. It’s also small.
Re:The Plague of the Poor by protomyth on Sunday October 10, 2021 @11:45AM (#28819286)
That's not even in the same realm.
Re:The Plague of the Poor by bayesian_horse on Sunday October 10, 2021 @03:48PM (#28821379)
Pretty much. There are some indications that myocarditis, the most serious, but very rare and even more rarely fatal complication of the mRNA vaccines, is caused by accidental intravenous injection of the vaccine.
Re:The Plague of the Poor by geysersam on Sunday October 10, 2021 @03:37PM (#28821284)
They are not the same. But the "risk" from the vaccines does seem negligible compared to almost anything else.