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Re:Ask HN: Non-tech professionals on HN? by opinion-is-bad on Saturday October 09, 2021 @03:10AM (#28807715)
California farmer, mostly pistachio and almonds. The farm has been in the family for four generations now and we hope to continue that.

I found HN while I worked at Google on self-driving cars from 2014-2018. At least two postings on HN have been direct material impact to me: the first about an autonomous tractor we might be experimenting with soon, and the second about water restrictions in CA that fortunately did not end up impacting us, but caused us to come up with some interesting water contingencies.

Re:Ask HN: Non-tech professionals on HN? by TimSchumann on Saturday October 09, 2021 @04:25AM (#28808023)
Conversation I was having with my dad (a dairy and grain farmer in the midwest) earlier this week ‘I wonder what the market for an open source tractor is?’

Not sure about autonomous, but just something you own, that you have full schematics and design specs for, and can repair yourself — seems like a huge market given the state of things right now.

Re:Ask HN: Non-tech professionals on HN? by randomdata on Saturday October 09, 2021 @10:03AM (#28809926)
> seems like a huge market given the state of things right now.

It's true that parts availability has been somewhat of a problem as of late, especially when computer chips are involved, but I am not sure it being open source really improves on that. If the OEM cannot keep up with production, your DIY/local supplier efforts are likely to suffer from the same capacity problems. It's not like you're going to setup your own silicon fab on a whim when your tractor breaks down in the middle of harvest.

Re:Ask HN: Non-tech professionals on HN? by opinion-is-bad on Saturday October 09, 2021 @04:53AM (#28808162)
The biggest problem with product development for agriculture use cases is that the conditions are extreme, every situation is unique, and the customers don’t really want what you are selling. It adds up to a lot of failed companies with good ideas that just couldn’t crack the distribution layer.

There is definitely demand for tractors from new producers. The inability to repair a tractor during harvest is simply unacceptable. Their technicians can take weeks to get around to you, especially if you are a small shop.

Re:Ask HN: Non-tech professionals on HN? by Delk on Saturday October 09, 2021 @02:14PM (#28811959)
What kinds of repair needs do you usually run into that require vendor's technicians? Is it e.g. electrical, or are they the stereotypical "everything is a computer" type of problems that everybody complains about in cars? Can you try to fix even mechanical problems yourself, or are those typically not the issue?

Asking out of plain curiosity.

Re:Ask HN: Non-tech professionals on HN? by opinion-is-bad on Saturday October 09, 2021 @07:40PM (#28814345)
It depends on the OEM, but in the worst cases it’s essentially anything. You can’t even change your own oil.
Re:Ask HN: Non-tech professionals on HN? by hosh on Saturday October 09, 2021 @12:17PM (#28811089)
Re:Ask HN: Non-tech professionals on HN? by TimSchumann on Saturday October 09, 2021 @12:31PM (#28811202)
Hadn’t seen that. Thanks for passing it along.
Re:Ask HN: Non-tech professionals on HN? by hosh on Saturday October 09, 2021 @04:25PM (#28812958)
This is the TED Talk about version 1, and the vision of a different kind of technology base: https://www.ted.com/talks/marcin_jakubowski_open_sourced_blu...

Marcin et al., had also designed and built an open source earth brick maker, and trialed it in building buildings out of it. The advantage is being able to source building materials on site.

I don’t know how far the organization has gone in designing and prototyping the other devices they have on their roadmap.

Re:Ask HN: Non-tech professionals on HN? by dd_roger on Sunday October 10, 2021 @09:05AM (#28818112)
The explosion in the number of sofware components in modern tractors and combines is inherent to what we expect from them. If your open source tractor is essentially a tractor from 20 years ago without the fancy new tech then there's no market for it. Just lookup how much tractors from before the "e-tractor era" go for. I'll break it to you, it's not a lot.

I think people who aren't involved with farming can't really comprehend the amount of technology involved and the savings that technology enables (and ultimately makes it worth it even if the equipment is more difficult/expensive to repair).

As an aside, we always hear complaints about John Deere and never other manufacturers. I wonder if it's because anti-corporate populism works better when it's targeted at a well known american brand or if John Deere is truely that bad. We don't have any modern John Deeres in my area but a few Case IH and Claas, and I've never heard any complaints.

Btw my point isn't to justify the anti-consumer behavior of some manufacturers, but to provide context as to why "an open source tractor" is a completely naive idea.

Re:Ask HN: Non-tech professionals on HN? by mattowen_uk on Saturday October 09, 2021 @03:26AM (#28807770)
I've just watched season 3 of the legal drama 'Goliath' starring Billy Bob Thornton, which was ALL about almond farmers in California trying to get water. Really good show, totally recommend it.
Re:Ask HN: Non-tech professionals on HN? by opinion-is-bad on Saturday October 09, 2021 @03:54AM (#28807887)
I have not heard about that, I’ll check it out. The water situation is not good for a lot of farmers, but we are fortunate with where our aquifer-drawing land is located and that most of our acres don’t draw from the aquifer at all.
Re:Ask HN: Non-tech professionals on HN? by akudha on Saturday October 09, 2021 @06:42AM (#28808657)
I second this recommendation. I actually liked all 4 seasons of the show. The games that lawyers play … sigh
Re:Ask HN: Non-tech professionals on HN? by hellbannedguy on Saturday October 09, 2021 @11:30AM (#28810713)
I really wanted to hate this series, but it's well written, and Billy Bob is a good actor. I thought he would phone it in being a series, but he's on point.
Re:Ask HN: Non-tech professionals on HN? by MichaelMoser123 on Saturday October 09, 2021 @01:58PM (#28811857)
How do you manage with polination? I read that bees are dying off, all over the place.
Re:Ask HN: Non-tech professionals on HN? by opinion-is-bad on Saturday October 09, 2021 @07:44PM (#28814369)
Hasn’t been a big issue for us since we are a larger farm and have blueberries pollinating right after our almonds making us a desirable partner. The rates have gone up, but we can afford them easily for almonds. The current almond pollination actually uses essentially 100% of commercial bees in the United States, but almond acreage is almost certain to only go down for the foreseeable future, so I don’t expect it to become a big issue. My understanding is that the colony collapse disorder is not considered a huge threat by bee keepers that do things the right way.