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Re:SpaceX hits $100B valuation after secondary share sale by mypastself on Friday October 08, 2021 @11:02AM (#28800098)
Owning Starlink shares is the closest you might get, but its IPO is still a few years away.
Re:SpaceX hits $100B valuation after secondary share sale by toomuchtodo on Friday October 08, 2021 @11:05AM (#28800133)
Fidelity has several funds with some SpaceX exposure.

https://www.mrmarvinallen.com/what-fidelity-funds-hold-space...

Re:SpaceX hits $100B valuation after secondary share sale by alexose on Friday October 08, 2021 @12:06PM (#28800810)
You're not wrong, but the exposure is around 0.039% last time I looked into it. Plus you have to own a bunch of Uber, too.

Google (Alphabet) owns a big chunk of SpaceX, maybe around $7B worth now? Given their market cap of 1.856T, that ends up being ~ 0.38% SpaceX.

Re:SpaceX hits $100B valuation after secondary share sale by whatshisface on Friday October 08, 2021 @11:10AM (#28800173)
I've made this comment before, but I have always wondered if there are enough linearly independent SpaceX-holding funds to construct a SpaceX-matching derivative product using only publicly traded securities.
Re:SpaceX hits $100B valuation after secondary share sale by airstrike on Friday October 08, 2021 @11:13AM (#28800203)
Not an expert, but I think one problem would be the redemption fees from needing to rebalance this portfolio of mutual funds
Re:SpaceX hits $100B valuation after secondary share sale by whatshisface on Friday October 08, 2021 @11:14AM (#28800214)
If only real life were as frictionless as arbitrage theory.
Re:SpaceX hits $100B valuation after secondary share sale by airstrike on Friday October 08, 2021 @11:10AM (#28800179)
Sadly that means having to put your money in a mutual fund which one may or may not want to for various reasons
Re:SpaceX hits $100B valuation after secondary share sale by joewadcan on Friday October 08, 2021 @01:38PM (#28801850)
Baron Partners owns a good chunk of SpaceX as well. Especially useful if you're buying from an account that can only purchase funds.

https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/BPTRX/holdings?p=BPTRX

Re:SpaceX hits $100B valuation after secondary share sale by b9a2cab5 on Friday October 08, 2021 @01:41PM (#28801895)
Unfortunately that fund holds around 40% of its capital in TSLA alone and only ~5% in SpaceX, so not a very good choice for investment. It also uses leverage. Great choice if you believe in Elon, not so great choice if you have any semblance of risk management.
Re:SpaceX hits $100B valuation after secondary share sale by adenadel on Friday October 08, 2021 @02:31PM (#28802512)
Presumably someone could take other positions to hedge away all of the other holdings in the fund so that (to a first order approximation) their only exposure is SpaceX, right?

(I only know the basics of investing)

Re:SpaceX hits $100B valuation after secondary share sale by BoxOfRain on Friday October 08, 2021 @11:35AM (#28800411)
Honestly I'll be happy when it becomes available for mobile installations let alone their IPO. I know it's mostly aimed at land-based installations where the fixed infrastructure is poor, but they'll be making boat dwellers of various kinds very happy!
Re:SpaceX hits $100B valuation after secondary share sale by remcob on Friday October 08, 2021 @11:57AM (#28800679)
What's the current best alternative for boat dwellers?
Re:SpaceX hits $100B valuation after secondary share sale by BoxOfRain on Friday October 08, 2021 @12:17PM (#28800976)
Depends on the type of boat and what you're doing on it. Personally I'm moving onto a sailing yacht next year and I'm planning on being quite nomadic, I'm installing masthead 4G and WiFi aerials and sticking to marinas and anchorages I know for certain have decent coverage until Starlink becomes available for installations like these (I think it might be a while before you can rely on them - the saltwater might be an issue even when they do have mobile coverage). While your options are currently very limited once you're out of line-of-sight radio range from the land, doing your day job on passage as well as having a watch would be pretty difficult anyway for practical reasons so I'm just timing my movements to coincide with annual leave and weekends. My aim is to see the world but slowly and steadily!

If you're on a canal boat or something along those lines you've got a lot better 4G coverage depending on what country you live in. Having said that, none of the canal boat dwellers I've spoken to have worked in tech and most of them commuted into cities so their need for fast and reliable internet wasn't as strong. I imagine permanently moored houseboats have decent WiFi links as well, though I've never really looked into that kind of thing.

Re:SpaceX hits $100B valuation after secondary share sale by InvaderFizz on Friday October 08, 2021 @12:05PM (#28800808)
Considering they are already in the process of certifying mobile terminals, I would say late 2022 for larger boats and planes. 2023 for something you or I could buy for RV/Boat use.
Re:SpaceX hits $100B valuation after secondary share sale by BoxOfRain on Friday October 08, 2021 @12:21PM (#28801035)
That's not bad at all! I do wonder how they're going to make the tranceivers rugged enough for the wet and salty environment your average sailing yacht is found in, and I suspect the motion of the waves makes aiming the dish a challenge. I suspect the speed will drop as soon as the boat goes upwind and starts heeling!
Re:SpaceX hits $100B valuation after secondary share sale by InvaderFizz on Friday October 08, 2021 @09:29PM (#28806192)
That's already built in, I think.

My reading of this news[0] is that they're using much larger phased arrays that sit flat on the deck/roof. 100% electronic steering.

Granted, that's speculation on my part based on a decade of military satellite operations. Starlink stated that they are larger, higher gain, lower power usage, and won't shoot below 25 degrees azimuth. That says to me a 2-4x surface area, lays flat, phased array panel.

I wouldn't expect much drop in speed, even in the worst waters, except for rain fade and if the roll of the boat causes a satellite to go out of sight to the dish. In those scenarios, I think most people can live with Netflix being barely functional.

0: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/08/starl...

Re:SpaceX hits $100B valuation after secondary share sale by iso1210 on Friday October 08, 2021 @12:19PM (#28801006)
Probably an vsat with an appropiate domed dish. Your latency will be high, but I think you can get unlimited data plans at reasonable downlink speeds.

You'll need a fairly large boat to host the satellite dome I believe, and they aren't cheap.

Re:SpaceX hits $100B valuation after secondary share sale by reportingsjr on Friday October 08, 2021 @01:19PM (#28801634)
Starlink on non-huge boats is going to be a bit of a struggle for a while. Since the "dishes" are actually phased array antennas they absolutely chew through energy. They take >100W continuously, which is out of the realm of most midsized to smaller boats.
Re:SpaceX hits $100B valuation after secondary share sale by brianwawok on Friday October 08, 2021 @01:59PM (#28802146)
What? 100 watt solar panel is

> 100-watt panels vary in size based on their efficiency and design, but typically measure around 47 x 21.3 x 1.4 inches.

Says google. Add four of those and some lead acid batteries and you should be able to get 100 watt 24x7. Or only 200 watts of solar if you are ok with not using 24x7

Re:SpaceX hits $100B valuation after secondary share sale by BoxOfRain on Friday October 08, 2021 @01:51PM (#28802041)
Yeah, it is rather power-hungry but I'll likely be on shore power most of the time I'm using it. For the times I'm not, I've budgeted for much more battery capacity than a typical yacht would need as part of the liveaboard conversion work.