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Re:Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year by Le_Dook on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @05:09PM (#28778454)
Heck, I know they're hybrids but just look formula one. The total emissions of every car, from all sessions at every single race in a year combined produce less emissions than a one way flight from London to New York. Which is then completed negated by the fact that the drivers all take private jets around the world
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Re:Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year by dd444fgdfg on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @05:52PM (#28778964)
i don't think that's a good comparison. think how many flights a single F1 race "causes". Not just the team members, theirs cars and equipment, but the millions of fans traveling to races around the world.
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Re:Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year by clouddrover on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @07:05PM (#28779599)
F1 is moving to carbon neutral synthetic fuel:

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a37872650/formula-1-auto-r...

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Re:Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year by adrianN on Thursday October 07, 2021 @12:49AM (#28782095)
There is no carbon neutral fuel before we have a surplus of carbon neutral energy. Currently, any kWh you use to synthesize fuel could instead be used for something else. It's probably less carbon intensive to keep on burning regular fuel, because it takes a lot of energy to make synfuel.

Of course it's nice that they subsidize R&D for synfuels (we might need them for niche applications after all), but selling them as "carbon neutral" is just greenwashing.

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Re:Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year by clouddrover on Thursday October 07, 2021 @01:21AM (#28782362)
They have been thinking about it. You haven't:

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2021/09/porsches-new-synthetic-...

https://www.siemens-energy.com/global/en/news/magazine/2021/...

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Re:Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year by adrianN on Thursday October 07, 2021 @02:25AM (#28782892)
How do your links counter my argument that any kWh spent on creating synfuel could be used for something else instead and as long as we don't have a surplus of carbon free energy all the carbon free electricity used in this way needs to be compensated by fossil fuels somewhere else in the grid?
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Re:Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year by authorityofnil on Thursday October 07, 2021 @05:10AM (#28783931)
I don't think this argument makes any sense. Just because there can be better uses for additional clean energy, does not make the additional energy any less clean.

By this definition, no source is clean, because there are always "better uses" for energy.

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Re:Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year by adrianN on Thursday October 07, 2021 @05:24AM (#28784021)
The honest way is using the average CO2/kWh for the grid you're plugged into (including the CO2 emitted for constructing the power plants with some discounting function) to estimate how much carbon your synfuel releases.
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Re:Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year by serpix on Thursday October 07, 2021 @12:49AM (#28782100)
The cars and equipment themselves are also airlifted around the world. The whole entourage is a massive waste of resources.
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