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Re:The Skill of Org Design by RayVR on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @10:46AM (#28773791)
This is a ridiculous critique of the argument. Just because everything can’t be quantified doesn’t mean we can’t quantify some things.

I worked in quant finance for many years so I’m very familiar with low signal to noise in complex systems. You can’t throw your hands up simply because you’ll never capture everything in your models.

This field is so far from my areas of expertise but I imagine there are lots of smart people investigating and putting structure around these questions.

Re:The Skill of Org Design by rocqua on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @12:17PM (#28774889)
> You can’t throw your hands up simply because you’ll never capture everything in your models.

You can however, decide that the key drivers in your domain are essentially impossible to capture quantitatively and decide not to model the domain scientifically. This applies especially well to cases where 'tacit knowledge' is important. Because that knowledge is hard to formulate, let alone formalize, it is really hard to quantize.

Re:The Skill of Org Design by nzmsv on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @02:18PM (#28776360)
Taleb makes an argument in Black Swan that a bad model can do more harm than no model at all, and that "we can't throw our hands up" is not a valid excuse either: sometimes that's exactly the right call.
Re:The Skill of Org Design by afarrell on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @10:52AM (#28773858)
Right. It is also false to say there are no useful numbers in this space. For example: Dunbar’s number is 150.

But it is misleading to expect an employee to maintain relationships with 150 people—they also have a family and friends.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

Re:The Skill of Org Design by pintxo on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @11:01AM (#28773969)
From the linked wikipedia:

> However, enormous 95% confidence intervals (4–520 and 2–336, respectively) implied that specifying any one number is futile.

Re:The Skill of Org Design by clairity on Wednesday October 06, 2021 @11:28AM (#28774313)
what’s more interesting about dunbar’s number is that it suggests a potential maximum for the size of an effective organization (say, 520) rather than pinpointing an optimum. the idea of a maximum like this appeals to intuition, so it’s worth studying more (and more quantitatively), but opposes ambition, which is probably why we don’t have plentiful research in this area already.